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minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down5·4 months agoI would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up9arrow-down3·4 months agoIf the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up2arrow-down4·4 months agoColonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so. For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up6arrow-down2·4 months agoBut you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down4·4 months agoI disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down3·4 months agoThe example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1arrow-down5·4 months ago It has only existed in a colonialist form. There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.
I would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
If the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
Colonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so.
For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
But you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
I disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
The example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.