how many of the original Nazis who were gleefully killing civilians in Donbas are actually still around and managed to avoid being sent into the meatgrinder?
They are being actively spared, actually. The 12 separate brigade - the notorious Azov neo-Nazi special forces have been chilling in forests near Kupiansk for a very long time doing virtually nothing, they are rarely asked to do shit, if ever. The 3rd separate brigade (also Azov Nazis) is just a TikTok media brigade - when they sent them to “stop the collapse in Avdeevka” they straight up refused and ran.
Something something paper tigers. This human filth can only larp and harass the unarmed
This goes to show that the idea many people here have - namely that the nazi brigades will be angry and disillusioned with the west and terrorise Europe later down the line - is incorrect. They’re doing exactly what the original nazis had done - send people from other nations and volksturm to die, while SS and generals negotiate deals and get cozy homes out in Americas
The nazi battalions form the stormtroopers of the regime. Once the war is over, Ukraine hopes to use them as shock troops to commit more terrorist attacks. They’re too valuable to send to the meatgrinder
Honestly, it’s worse than that IMO (if only they’d go pester their NATO funders). They’re the comprador/policing force keeping the regime in place, they’re basically the enforcers of the NATO line (that there will be no peace with Russia, that the persecution and crimes against minorities will continue, etc).
The original, democratically elected govt. of the Ukranians was neutral (Yanukovych). The Nazis were instrumental in bringing that down, they were the US’ boots on the ground so to speak. Then the Ukrainians eventually elected a “peace” candidate (Zelensky). Whether he actually intended for peace originally, hell if I know (whatever the case I have no sympathy for him, he is guilty of immense crimes at this point and has been for a long time, well before Russia’s SMO) but it’s clear that to a large extent, the Nazi former-paramilitary factions (now legitimized in the military and in govt) have significant influence and only Uncle Sam can get them to back down (as with that general who Zelensky tried- and failed- to dismiss, etc).
but it’s clear that to a large extent, the Nazi former-paramilitary factions (now legitimized in the military and in govt) have significant influence and only Uncle Sam can get them to back down
In their own words - “we’re 10%, but we’re the decisive 10 percent”. They absolutely do have control over the government because their people infested said government
They are being actively spared, actually. The 12 separate brigade - the notorious Azov neo-Nazi special forces have been chilling in forests near Kupiansk for a very long time doing virtually nothing, they are rarely asked to do shit, if ever. The 3rd separate brigade (also Azov Nazis) is just a TikTok media brigade - when they sent them to “stop the collapse in Avdeevka” they straight up refused and ran.
Something something paper tigers. This human filth can only larp and harass the unarmed
This goes to show that the idea many people here have - namely that the nazi brigades will be angry and disillusioned with the west and terrorise Europe later down the line - is incorrect. They’re doing exactly what the original nazis had done - send people from other nations and volksturm to die, while SS and generals negotiate deals and get cozy homes out in Americas
The nazi battalions form the stormtroopers of the regime. Once the war is over, Ukraine hopes to use them as shock troops to commit more terrorist attacks. They’re too valuable to send to the meatgrinder
Honestly, it’s worse than that IMO (if only they’d go pester their NATO funders). They’re the comprador/policing force keeping the regime in place, they’re basically the enforcers of the NATO line (that there will be no peace with Russia, that the persecution and crimes against minorities will continue, etc).
The original, democratically elected govt. of the Ukranians was neutral (Yanukovych). The Nazis were instrumental in bringing that down, they were the US’ boots on the ground so to speak. Then the Ukrainians eventually elected a “peace” candidate (Zelensky). Whether he actually intended for peace originally, hell if I know (whatever the case I have no sympathy for him, he is guilty of immense crimes at this point and has been for a long time, well before Russia’s SMO) but it’s clear that to a large extent, the Nazi former-paramilitary factions (now legitimized in the military and in govt) have significant influence and only Uncle Sam can get them to back down (as with that general who Zelensky tried- and failed- to dismiss, etc).
In their own words - “we’re 10%, but we’re the decisive 10 percent”. They absolutely do have control over the government because their people infested said government
Precisely, precisely