• BombOmOm@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Replacing physical controls with touch buttons continues to be an incredibly dumb idea. Luckily several other manufactures who hopped on the trend are realizing it was a bad choice.

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        6 months ago

        Yeah round wheels are not a fuckin style choice. It’s so you can grab it anywhere in any situation. This steering wheel looks fuckin deadly

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          6 months ago

          It’s a yoke because top tier race cars use yokes and Elon thinks his teslas are that for some reason. Completely disregarding all the setup and engineering race cars have that make a yoke the more viable option than a wheel…

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          6 months ago

          They are the worst drivers by infractions. Dead wheel is a culling tool.

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    6 months ago

    For those that don’t want to read the article:

    Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

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      6 months ago

      Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

      Its even worse than that. The buttons are smooth surface (like a touch screen) with haptic feedback. These are truly a horrible idea:

      If I had one of these Tesla cars I’d look into retrofitting the stalks back in.

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      6 months ago

      Wtf, seriously? I’ve tried using media buttons on the steering wheel during a turn. It’s not reliable in the slightest, because it’s a moving target.

      Does the non circular steering non-wheel never go past 90 degrees or something?

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        6 months ago

        I once accidentally dialed 911 from my steering wheel phone buttons while pulling a turn. Surprised the shit out of me and the dispatcher didn’t sound like this was the first call of the type. This is a fucking terrible idea.

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          6 months ago

          Covered in the article. In Norway you are required to signal when exiting a roundabout. It’s a fair concern.

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              That’s not the issue, imagining driving through a roundabout that curves left and having to find a button somewhere on the steering wheel, which is at an angle, in order to indicate right before turning tight in order to exit the roundabout.

              A stalk will always be in the same position. The same cannot be said for buttons.

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                6 months ago

                imagining driving through a roundabout that curves left and having to find a button somewhere on the steering wheel

                Your don’t have to “find” anything, it’s right next to your thumb

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                  6 months ago

                  Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don’t.

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          In addition to roundabouts, there are plenty of freeway exists that loop around where you can be at an extreme turn and need to initiate a lane change. Or making a right turn into a gas station after a left turn at an intersection… lots of use cases.

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    6 months ago

    The new Tesla Model 3 should be banned from the whole of Europe until they put the indicator stalk back. It is virtually impossible to safely and legally traverse a roundabout without it.

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      How do people indicate without it? Is the car supposed to automatically turn it on once it senses you leaving the lane?

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        It has little buttons on the wheel for left or right instead of a stalk. Problem is when you’re going through a roundabout you’re twirling the wheel around so it is almost impossible to to know where the buttons are at any given point in time. A stalk stays put, the buttons are anywhere depending on where the wheel is at. I think this video demonstrates it most clearly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBFxbKTEWu8

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    Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

    Spit my drink up a bit when I read that.

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    6 months ago

    I didn’t realize Tesla’s even came with turn signals. They must be hard to find because they never get used.

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      I swear to god Tesla drivers are going for the worst drivers award.

      Just let your fucking car drive itself if you cannot.

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    Yeah, it’s not designed with roundabouts, (i.e. road infrastructure designed with logic and common sense) in mind.

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      It’s not designed with any common sense in mind. They just figured they could a) cut costs and b) make the vehicle look “cleaner”, because Musk and the people who work for him are intellectually incurious morons who refuse to learn why things are designed the way they are before trying to reinvent them.

      The thing about breaking the rules is that if you want to really do it well, you have to understand why those rules exist in the first place. That’s hard to do when you start from the position of just assuming that you’re smarter than everyone else.

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        i am not sure they even kept the cost down since they had to reintroduce the option of normal steering wheels, this just another case of Musk thinking it looks cool so it should be, but then done poorly because they don’t have the engineering expertise to do it properly like lexus did it

        This is just another case of Cybertruck shit.

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    Tesla fucking up traditional driving controls only make sense if their self-driving system is working so the driver has no need to touch the steering wheel except in rare case. How good is Tesla’s full self driving these days?

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    6 months ago

    Does anyone remember K.I.T.T from Knight Rider in the 80’s?

    Same steering wheel! Haha

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      The center screen is basically a fully functional tablet (video streaming and all), in addition being the the only console in the car. Tesla has tried to differentiate themselves with this. I personally do see some appeal, particularly as most cars have absurdly under-powered infotainment systems that simply shouldn’t exist. If one is going to include one, the menus should at least scroll smoothly and screens load quickly.

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    Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

    Why the hell do billionaires keep laughing in our faces? I swear every time one of them or their companies opens their mouth, it’s like they’re making fun of us, the poor people.

    “We care about your privacy” — (they don’t) “a turn signal will soon be unnecessary” etc.

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      a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving

      That’s like not including a stick for the manual transmission, because the automatic one is just around the corner.

      I wish I possessed this kind of optimism in my daily life :D

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      And worse is that people have been complaining about the lack of buttons and knobs for some time already.

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      it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving.

      Okay, but self driving hasn’t happened yet and still faces significant problems. Removing a turn signal for this is like smoking constantly because you think cancer will be cured in the future.

      Plus it breaks one of the unspoken rules of new designs. You never take away functionality, you only add it.