Many people all over the topic highlighted the importance of Lenin and how it’s not only a “continuation” of Marx, but a massive improvement of his works, and the first time Marx’s theories were put into practice.
You can tell me if I am wrong, but continuation is a word for me which holds heavy weight. I had people said they were Marxists, but they didn’t acknowledged Lenin. Meaning, Lenin bastardised (I don’t know if this is the correct word?) Marxism and was not a Marxist at all. You know probably this people, its like you said, that they remove a bit for a bit Lenin, then Engels (This happens quite often) and then it ends in the Marx, when he was a idealist. So in the end, it is something absolute reactionary. I often had to explain and explain, that Lenin is not anywhere a contradiction at all to Marx, but a continuation. Meaning, he is a Marxists and he’s works are Marxism. You can be against Lenin and say you are a Marxist, this wont work.
I admit, maybe I am wronged if I say continuation, but how else can I describe that?
You seem to only focus on what people responded to you, and seem to be uninterested in the rest of the thread
OK, then let me put it this way. I made a comment to explain myself regarding ML, because the OP asked. Then I got answers and answers, so I keeped answering and I indeed didn’t follow other discussions.
Notice it was published in 1929, but it was written in October 1928 by Mariátegui, before the earliest recorded usage of “Marxism-Leninism” by Stalin, which as far as I’ve researched, is from December 1928 in a speech The Right Danger in the German Communist Party. It’s possible other Soviet party members apart from Stalin used “Marxism-Leninism” before him. What’s important is that the term developed independently from the Soviet sphere and from Stalin itself, so stop associating the term “Marxism-Leninism” with Stalin, because Stalin mostly used the term Leninism until the late 1930’s.
This is something I didn’t know. In comment maybe by you simply was written, that I should stop focussing on Stalin, but I wasn’t even focussing on him - At least not in the way how it was implied. Other reply to a comment of mine told me, that Marxism-Leninism was the way how Stalin described the work of Lenin. My knowledge was, that the term ML was established by him, this is why I even mentioned him. That it was used before him is something I haven’t know, like I said.
I already explained often enough, that ML is still not a valid term for me, it doesnt even stop by Lenin and goes beyond the developments that occurred after his death.
Look, I will try to explain my thought sincerely. The works from Stalin I have are from the Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin Institute. I also encountered russian sites that use Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism. So I came to the conclusion that names of important figures in the history of Marxism are being added.
Meaning, you especially make it clear that your position aligns with those persons. Which would also mean, if you remove, in the example I gave, Stalin from the long word, then you are not aligning with him. Especially the Institute is way to much.
This is way I said, that I rather mention something by the name of the person, because on the other hand I would have to add the persons before. Like, if a group describes themself as Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism, I would say only the later an.
Looking now it into other comments in additions, my though seemed to be not that right.
Why I said it in the comments, that it is not valid, is because ML would mean, following my thought I described, that it stops with Lenin and won’t go further what was after him, meaning ignoring it. I didn’t mean, that Lenin’s importance has to be removed. Like it looks like ML has another significant impact in Theory then I thought.
And then you ignored that
I would have been muted, that is why I didn’t answer it, but rather explained, that I am unable engage any further. Didn’t see it was you. But even if I saw it, it was clearly said, that I will be muted if I keep discussing. Why should ignore a warning from an admin?
Instead of deflecting and crying about your tone, I proceeded to respond to you.
I don’t know why you are behaving this way, this I something I really have the emphasise:
After the first replies of sarcasm, mockery and that I should stop calling myself a Marxist at all and that some replies only took reference of only a fraction sometimes what I wrote, I indeed started a sentence with the words"Well, I don’t want to be rude, but where the fuck". When did I mentioned your tone? In the comment you actually answered right now. And what did I before that? I responded every time, even when I took you for another person - only to write that, I cant engage further. Where did I deflect now or cry?
You warned me, that I would be muted if I keep discussing, I even stopped after that. Then you suddenly had a better mood today or something like that, since there wasn’t any explanation, and you decided “I take it back”. I replied to you mentioning, that I don’t want to reply only to receive again mockery and that you will maybe again decIde to write some “cease-and-desist” message, that you will mute me if I dont stop discussing. Considering this in addition you really simply called my comment regarding this “deflecting and crying”, don’t seeing anything wrong with that how you reacted before and now.
I would expect you to do the same.
Well, as I already showed, I did it the whole time.
I’m giving you all the liberty to respond.
Just stop with that. Really. Like, I read the first sentences of your comment and decided to answer, because you seemed different now. I mean, by “So did I, comrade” I had the impression that we just ignore the stuff from before and simply start from new - Since maybe you thought I had bad intentions and this is now cleared and we can talk normally.
I took time back and forth, its not that often that I try to discuss such topics in english and it was interesting looking into the sources you provided, I learned something. But there it is again. Like, thank you very much, that you will not mute me if my answer should make your mood bad. Usually this is something self-evident I am used to. Very much crying I guess, but I simply didn’t expect something like this
OK, let’s try.
You can tell me if I am wrong, but continuation is a word for me which holds heavy weight. I had people said they were Marxists, but they didn’t acknowledged Lenin. Meaning, Lenin bastardised (I don’t know if this is the correct word?) Marxism and was not a Marxist at all. You know probably this people, its like you said, that they remove a bit for a bit Lenin, then Engels (This happens quite often) and then it ends in the Marx, when he was a idealist. So in the end, it is something absolute reactionary. I often had to explain and explain, that Lenin is not anywhere a contradiction at all to Marx, but a continuation. Meaning, he is a Marxists and he’s works are Marxism. You can be against Lenin and say you are a Marxist, this wont work.
I admit, maybe I am wronged if I say continuation, but how else can I describe that?
OK, then let me put it this way. I made a comment to explain myself regarding ML, because the OP asked. Then I got answers and answers, so I keeped answering and I indeed didn’t follow other discussions.
This is something I didn’t know. In comment maybe by you simply was written, that I should stop focussing on Stalin, but I wasn’t even focussing on him - At least not in the way how it was implied. Other reply to a comment of mine told me, that Marxism-Leninism was the way how Stalin described the work of Lenin. My knowledge was, that the term ML was established by him, this is why I even mentioned him. That it was used before him is something I haven’t know, like I said.
Look, I will try to explain my thought sincerely. The works from Stalin I have are from the Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin Institute. I also encountered russian sites that use Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism. So I came to the conclusion that names of important figures in the history of Marxism are being added.
Meaning, you especially make it clear that your position aligns with those persons. Which would also mean, if you remove, in the example I gave, Stalin from the long word, then you are not aligning with him. Especially the Institute is way to much.
This is way I said, that I rather mention something by the name of the person, because on the other hand I would have to add the persons before. Like, if a group describes themself as Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism, I would say only the later an.
Looking now it into other comments in additions, my though seemed to be not that right.
Why I said it in the comments, that it is not valid, is because ML would mean, following my thought I described, that it stops with Lenin and won’t go further what was after him, meaning ignoring it. I didn’t mean, that Lenin’s importance has to be removed. Like it looks like ML has another significant impact in Theory then I thought.
I would have been muted, that is why I didn’t answer it, but rather explained, that I am unable engage any further. Didn’t see it was you. But even if I saw it, it was clearly said, that I will be muted if I keep discussing. Why should ignore a warning from an admin?
I don’t know why you are behaving this way, this I something I really have the emphasise:
After the first replies of sarcasm, mockery and that I should stop calling myself a Marxist at all and that some replies only took reference of only a fraction sometimes what I wrote, I indeed started a sentence with the words"Well, I don’t want to be rude, but where the fuck". When did I mentioned your tone? In the comment you actually answered right now. And what did I before that? I responded every time, even when I took you for another person - only to write that, I cant engage further. Where did I deflect now or cry?
You warned me, that I would be muted if I keep discussing, I even stopped after that. Then you suddenly had a better mood today or something like that, since there wasn’t any explanation, and you decided “I take it back”. I replied to you mentioning, that I don’t want to reply only to receive again mockery and that you will maybe again decIde to write some “cease-and-desist” message, that you will mute me if I dont stop discussing. Considering this in addition you really simply called my comment regarding this “deflecting and crying”, don’t seeing anything wrong with that how you reacted before and now.
Well, as I already showed, I did it the whole time.
Just stop with that. Really. Like, I read the first sentences of your comment and decided to answer, because you seemed different now. I mean, by “So did I, comrade” I had the impression that we just ignore the stuff from before and simply start from new - Since maybe you thought I had bad intentions and this is now cleared and we can talk normally.
I took time back and forth, its not that often that I try to discuss such topics in english and it was interesting looking into the sources you provided, I learned something. But there it is again. Like, thank you very much, that you will not mute me if my answer should make your mood bad. Usually this is something self-evident I am used to. Very much crying I guess, but I simply didn’t expect something like this
This is just formalism, it doesn’t matter what you name it, but what you do in practice. This discussion has contributed nothing to it.