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    16 days ago

    Biden calling Trump voters garbage was a gaffe. His own office walked it back. It’s way easier to depart from the president on a throwaway line than on a year-long policy that an all-too-large and ignorant chunk of the population still supports.

    I’m not satisfied with her public position on Gaza so far, either. But, since the notion that Trump will make anything better is ridiculous, the only plausible course is to get her in office and then pressure the shit out of her.

    And in case anyone’s thinking it, the idea that Jill Stein successfully spoiling into a Trump victory somehow means he’ll take her foreign policy advice is magical thinking.

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      I just read you are concerned about 3rd party voters spoiling the election. Understandable given the mathematically flawed voting system most states use.

      With state level electoral reform, we can get rid of First Past The Post voting and the spoiler effect that comes along with it.

      citizens would be free to vote how they wish safe in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against those they don’t want in public office.

      We could pass this one state at a time. Some states have already replaced FPTP voting, and more are working towards it with referendums.

      Given how possible electoral reform is, and your concern with 3rd parties being a spoiler, I invite you to stop by my asklemmy post to discuss your new commitment to replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state after the election.

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      16 days ago

      I forgot that I need to append “I already voted for Harris” to anything that isn’t fawning worship, or Democrats’ sanctimonious lecture reflex kicks in.

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        16 days ago

        Problem is it’s not believable you voted for Harris after doing nothing but speaking out against her for months now. Guessing you voted for trump just based on your words on lemmy

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          This is exactly why this discussion is insufferable. You have literally been told how this person voted but you are so convinced by your own bullshit (ie that anyone mad about US support for genocide must, for some god damn reason, support Trump) that you don’t even believe it.

          I cannot wait for the 6th so that we can have this conversation without it getting sidetracked by overly loyal democrats condescendingly explaining how first past the post works as if we don’t know already.

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              It’s funny how you can flat out accuse someone of lying about their vote because you simply don’t believe them and that is totally fine, but when I pointed out the issues with doing that this is “uncivil” and must be removed.

              This person told you how they voted. The only reason you don’t believe them is because you have been lied to and you have bought into the lies. People mad about the current line on Gaza are generally not voting Trump, they are just mad at Biden and Harris. Perhaps if you have a zero sum mindset this is difficult to understand but it really is very simple.

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                16 days ago

                Oh it was removed. Good. It had a horrible tone so I skipped it. This one too. It’s notable I tagged you months ago as an anti-biden zealot because of your attacks against anyone who isn’t trump

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                  16 days ago

                  Hmm tagging anybody who doesn’t agree with you as a “zealot” makes you seem like the zealot.

                  I hate Trump. Take a look through my comments.

                  It had a horrible tone so I skipped it.

                  Sorry for the tone. But you are accusing somebody of lying because you insist on painting others as ridiculous caricatures instead of engaging with them in good faith and it pisses me off. It doesn’t matter what tone you take doing this, you are the problem.

                  I am absolutely astounded that I can be falsely called an “anti Biden zealot” and this is not “uncivil” but my initial comment was.

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                    Yeah my opinion and tag is based on a consistent history of seeing you spread hatred of Democrats.

                    I myself tried to reason with you and so did others. You did not care.