Why is it Lemmy is okay with Outrage culture when it targets Tesla/SpaceX/Apple, yet criticized else where?
So reading these comments most people don’t understand that many cars have electronic doors for several valid design reasons and yet all I have seen have manual overrides. Tesla as many other cars without window trims have to lower the glass before you can open the door. Most if not all cars even German makes do this electronicly but like my Tesla, have a manual handle that mechanicly drops the glass windows panel so you can open normally.
Both my Tesla and friends VW Benzin(Gas) car som 15 years ago use the same system… If the car have no trim and electronic windows, you also have this design issue, which extends this to ALL car brands.
But yea let’s throw reason out the window and yell “Tesla bad!!!”…
How if it is true some models don’t have the manual override (and that might include none Tesla cars if there indeed is no regulation that mandates it) I feel bad for the people not knowing or the safety ratings ignoring this oversight.
I can just say, mine does and is mentioned in the safety rating used in EU.
Car on fire
PANIC!!!
OH SHIT I can’t just pull this door handle to get out.
Oh God it’s so hot, what’s happening … (Get disoriented) … Trying to find a way out still.
A series of steps with a hidden release has to happen - hope you knew that before you climbed in.
Yeah many cars do have electronic doors, but they can be easily opened without electricity in a simple way. Yank the handle.
For some reason Tesla thought that was a bad idea. It’s stupid, I know they should have broken a window but when you’re panicking going on years of experience opening car doors you’re going to try to open them the way you know how.
So, yeah, it’s not just because it’s a Tesla - it’s because it’s a dangerous and dumb engineering choice that they made which puts people’s lives in danger unnecessarily.
Many people in my Tesla have janked the emergency handle, rather than clicking the button to get out without any emergency, there isn’t any Door handle, there is the emergency handle… Which kinda proves my point and your outrage comment proves you haven’t even been in a Tesla yet comment on “it’s bad design”.
Same kind of comments from people against seatbelts when they were introduced. “It’s not the standard and people will burn in their cars” without seeing or trying a seatbelt.
It very much is because it’s a Tesla because my point about Tesla not being the only car which use electric windows control pre opening the door. Yet people hating on “EV needs power to get out” failing to realise that many Gas powered vehicles require the same thing. Some even implemented explosives that need to push the door off to be able to get out.
Many people in my Tesla have janked the emergency handle, rather than clicking the button to get out without any emergency, there isn’t any Door handle, there is the emergency handle… Which kinda proves my point and your outrage comment proves you haven’t even been in a Tesla yet comment on “it’s bad design”.
That might be true for the front seat, but what about the back? I doubt you’d have 4 passengers all up front with you in the passenger seat.
I’ve never been in a Tesla, but according to the owner’s manual the emergency release for the back seat is a cable behind a hidden panel, and not all models actually have that hidden panel.
It is.
I very much enjoy fuckcars and push for public transport when possible.
However I hate the traditional car companies more for lying and burying alternatives to ICE more than I do the one company that in 10 years changed a stagnant Gas/Benzin polluting product which got bigger and bigger to a now Electric alternatives. That includes the side effect in my city for electric busses which were not a thing before said company and the change in zeitgeist around EV vs ICE.
So yes I’m in fuck cars and I am saying while I hate the current CEO of the company, I also recognize their success have pushed and improved my local public transport system and city (which in 2030 will ban all ICE cars from its center with a much larger push towards public alternatives at the same time).
If there was a burning car and I had to open your Tesla’s door from the outside to save you, you’re dead because I wouldn’t be able to figure out how to use the handle, regardless of whether the thing was still powered or not.
I have had many people ride in my Tesla and most of them opened the door by pulling the emergency handle… By instinct.
So great job reading a headline and commenting without ever being in a Tesla, calling something you have never seen “bad design”.
Some kind of argument this group deals with when people say " busses/trains don’t work [instead made up thing they have never seen]"
Great job furthering the cause or any change at improving anything.
I’m talking about accessing the Tesla from the outside. It’s not obvious how you do that, and I’ve been picked up by several Teslas that were Ubers. (IIRC isn’t there something like the handles don’t pop out if the doors are locked too? I just remember that I’ve struggled with this)
Imagine seeing a car on fire and actually saying to yourself “ hell nah, screw that guy, he chose to drive a Tesla, he deserve to burn alive”.
Great way of thinking man
Strawman: destroyed
Try:
Fuck helping that guy, I’m not figuring out how his stupid door works and potentially getting hurt myself because he chose to drive a stupidly designed vehicle
Notice how in yours it’s some sort of bigotry towards the car, while I specifically pointed out that Tesla’s are objectively less safe to interact with and that was the reason, with 0 sympathy being offered because they chose to drive a badly designed car
you could learn how to open a Tesla door so that if you ever come across a Tesla that’s on fire, you could save a life.
There are plenty of youtube videos, less than 10 seconds of your time.
If the occupant is unconscious, dragging one out of the window can make things significantly worse if there are injuries from a crash. The door handle should always be available. Even if the door won’t open on one side because of an impact there, use the other side. There are much better alternatives than dragging someone over shattered glass out of a window.
Why is it Lemmy is okay with Outrage culture when it targets Tesla/SpaceX/Apple, yet criticized else where?
So reading these comments most people don’t understand that many cars have electronic doors for several valid design reasons and yet all I have seen have manual overrides. Tesla as many other cars without window trims have to lower the glass before you can open the door. Most if not all cars even German makes do this electronicly but like my Tesla, have a manual handle that mechanicly drops the glass windows panel so you can open normally.
Both my Tesla and friends VW Benzin(Gas) car som 15 years ago use the same system… If the car have no trim and electronic windows, you also have this design issue, which extends this to ALL car brands.
But yea let’s throw reason out the window and yell “Tesla bad!!!”…
How if it is true some models don’t have the manual override (and that might include none Tesla cars if there indeed is no regulation that mandates it) I feel bad for the people not knowing or the safety ratings ignoring this oversight.
I can just say, mine does and is mentioned in the safety rating used in EU.
How the fuck is being sad about preventable deaths “outrage culture”?
Why does stoposto promote Shitty Post Culture?
I think it’s more like
Yeah many cars do have electronic doors, but they can be easily opened without electricity in a simple way. Yank the handle.
For some reason Tesla thought that was a bad idea. It’s stupid, I know they should have broken a window but when you’re panicking going on years of experience opening car doors you’re going to try to open them the way you know how.
So, yeah, it’s not just because it’s a Tesla - it’s because it’s a dangerous and dumb engineering choice that they made which puts people’s lives in danger unnecessarily.
Many people in my Tesla have janked the emergency handle, rather than clicking the button to get out without any emergency, there isn’t any Door handle, there is the emergency handle… Which kinda proves my point and your outrage comment proves you haven’t even been in a Tesla yet comment on “it’s bad design”.
Same kind of comments from people against seatbelts when they were introduced. “It’s not the standard and people will burn in their cars” without seeing or trying a seatbelt.
It very much is because it’s a Tesla because my point about Tesla not being the only car which use electric windows control pre opening the door. Yet people hating on “EV needs power to get out” failing to realise that many Gas powered vehicles require the same thing. Some even implemented explosives that need to push the door off to be able to get out.
Sweet, what about back seat folks?
Also those other cars have easier ways of getting out in event for a power failure, not having to open a separate hidden compartment and pull a cable.
I’ve been in Teslas and I’m not going to buy one. My used 2009 Mazda 3 has better build quality than the brand new Teslas. Silly AF
Good to know this isn’t about fuckcars at all, it’s about fuck Tesla and changes to upset the Gas industry.
Good to know as I’d rather enjoyed Lemmy but if it’s a Russia, Saudi and US lobby pushing their agenda here, ohh well
No fuckcars too, I just live in suburbia and need one to do anything and exist
What the hell are you on about? Seatbelts were introduced to SAVE lives, removing handles was done to look cool.
They where made to open car doors and Tesla chose a design which you can find on cars from 1990 on sportscars to reduce drag and increase efficiency.
But ok let’s stick to the pickup truck handles and efficient…
That might be true for the front seat, but what about the back? I doubt you’d have 4 passengers all up front with you in the passenger seat.
I’ve never been in a Tesla, but according to the owner’s manual the emergency release for the back seat is a cable behind a hidden panel, and not all models actually have that hidden panel.
Is that a serious question?
It is. I very much enjoy fuckcars and push for public transport when possible. However I hate the traditional car companies more for lying and burying alternatives to ICE more than I do the one company that in 10 years changed a stagnant Gas/Benzin polluting product which got bigger and bigger to a now Electric alternatives. That includes the side effect in my city for electric busses which were not a thing before said company and the change in zeitgeist around EV vs ICE.
So yes I’m in fuck cars and I am saying while I hate the current CEO of the company, I also recognize their success have pushed and improved my local public transport system and city (which in 2030 will ban all ICE cars from its center with a much larger push towards public alternatives at the same time).
If there was a burning car and I had to open your Tesla’s door from the outside to save you, you’re dead because I wouldn’t be able to figure out how to use the handle, regardless of whether the thing was still powered or not.
I have had many people ride in my Tesla and most of them opened the door by pulling the emergency handle… By instinct. So great job reading a headline and commenting without ever being in a Tesla, calling something you have never seen “bad design”.
Some kind of argument this group deals with when people say " busses/trains don’t work [instead made up thing they have never seen]"
Great job furthering the cause or any change at improving anything.
I’m talking about accessing the Tesla from the outside. It’s not obvious how you do that, and I’ve been picked up by several Teslas that were Ubers. (IIRC isn’t there something like the handles don’t pop out if the doors are locked too? I just remember that I’ve struggled with this)
So anyone in a sports car? Porsche, Massaratti, Audi, Ferrari and many others used these way before Tesla…
Tesla bootlicker go brrrrr 🤣
Try breaking a window man, do your due diligence and save a life. Don’t just give up at the slight obstacle.
Not risking my life EXTRA for someone still choosing to drive a Tesla after all of this, I’ll keep on keepin’ on and leave that to the professionals
Not saving a life because of their choice of vehicle… that’s really sad.
Imagine seeing a car on fire and actually saying to yourself “ hell nah, screw that guy, he chose to drive a Tesla, he deserve to burn alive”.
Great way of thinking man. I hope I don’t live anywhere near you.
Strawman: destroyed
Try:
Notice how in yours it’s some sort of bigotry towards the car, while I specifically pointed out that Tesla’s are objectively less safe to interact with and that was the reason, with 0 sympathy being offered because they chose to drive a badly designed car
you could learn how to open a Tesla door so that if you ever come across a Tesla that’s on fire, you could save a life. There are plenty of youtube videos, less than 10 seconds of your time.
You could make a difference in someone’s life.
Lol, fuck learning how to open someone else’s car for an extremely niche situation, they can burn, I do not care about their poor choices
Great mentatlity man.
I feel sorry for people around you.
If the occupant is unconscious, dragging one out of the window can make things significantly worse if there are injuries from a crash. The door handle should always be available. Even if the door won’t open on one side because of an impact there, use the other side. There are much better alternatives than dragging someone over shattered glass out of a window.
It’s safety glass. More like pebbles than sharp shards. Please drag me over shattered automotive glass if I’m otherwise burning alive in a car.
Life over limbs. If the vehicle is on fire and I’m unconscious, fucking drag me out by any means necessary.