• Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 months ago

    I disagree that raising and keeping animals because we want their products is cruel, and I especially disagree that referring to that as abuse is useful.

    What standard of cruelty and ethical framework are you using to come to your conclusion?

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        6 months ago

        I’m not watching a vegan shock video.

        If you disagree with me, you should be able to put in to words why you believe all instances (real and hypothetical) of keeping animals for the stated reasons should be considered cruel. If what I said is a strawman of your position, then you don’t disagree with what I meant to say.

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        6 months ago

        Ethical emotivism isn’t a self-consistent ethical framework. It’s arguably not even an ethics system; it’s a philosophical attitude towards ethics as a field of study.

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      6 months ago

      It may not be cruel in principle, but it is usually cruel in practice. Still, I like the the guiding principle to try to not let minor benefits to myself (e.g. an easier way to a nice meal) go above vital benefits of other creatures.

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        6 months ago

        I was speaking in terms of principles rather than discussing practical reality. Of course cruel practices are common in farming in general and the meat industry in particular; I’m not disputing that.