• CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net
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    10 months ago

    This is beside the point but also fuck Trotsky. Trotsky’s basic idea consisted of applying military methods in the economic field and of turning the entire population of Russia into a vast army of labour, destroying the trade unions and forcing the workforce into jobs they could not leave without the permission of high authorities. Any shirking of duty or unauthorized absence from work was to be punished on the same basis as desertion from the army. Fuck that guy.

    But also fuck capitalism. It’s horrific.

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      10 months ago

      The problem is that so many people can’t see that there are any shades of grey between Trotskyist communism and free market capitalism. Like it has to be one absolute or the other. Such bizarre black-and-white thinking.

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    10 months ago

    I almost wish everyone hadn’t defederated from hexbear so that we had more stories of the mental gymnastics justifying continues support of Putin after he banned being gay.

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          10 months ago

          Turns out tankies are actually just as pro-genocide of indigenous people as the far-right are, so long as it’s Russia or China doing it.

          Which is, of course, doubly insane considering that Russia isn’t even run by the Russian Communist Party anymore.

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            10 months ago

            It’s worse than that. They’re totally amoral. They can’t see beyond their stupid idea of the way they think the world should be. They’re pro-genocide when it benefits their ideology. I haven’t heard much cheering on of Israel from Tankies right now, but if Putin or Xi suddenly allied with them? They’d be begging the Israelis to bulldoze more Palestinian homes with people inside of them.

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            10 months ago

            Enemy of my enemy logic, basically. There are people who have such a disdain for the west that they will lionize any political figures who also hate the west, no matter how contradictory their stated ideals are.

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              10 months ago

              Funny thing is they still live in the west. At least stand by your opinion and move to fucking Russia. I think they’re especially welcoming of males in their 20s (only if you’re born a male and live as a male, sorry, their “tolerance” doesn’t run that far).

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                10 months ago

                You know thats a nonsense thing to say. Moving countries is so fucking expensive, its not something you can just do.

                Dont make your quips sound as out of touch as the people youre quipping

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                  10 months ago

                  Moving countries is so fucking expensive, its not something you can just do.

                  Actually, Russia has put a great deal of effort into making moving and acquiring citizenship very easy, as of late, and very affordable.

                  So long as you join up in the Russian military.

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        10 months ago

        lemm.ee has hexbear, and I can feel the admin writhing while he allows them to persist - even after they banned me entire for “capitalist apologia”, “Genocide denial” and “Pro-zionist Lib , Get f*cked Ben Hazir !!!” - all of which would classify as the crime of defamation.

        But, at the same time, I wouldn’t have those bullshit definitions if I didn’t face them head on and call them out for their bullshit, using open modlogs where they themselves can’t hide.

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      10 months ago

      Defederating doesn’t serve anyone’s interest. If you don’t like a community or a server, block them. Let the rest of us decide for ourselves.

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        10 months ago

        Defederation is absolutely a valid tool to deal with spam instances. It’s less of a valid tool for dealing with voices and opinions you don’t like.

        Unfortunately, sometimes it can be hard to differentiate between the two.

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        You can’t block entire instances as a user, at least not on Lemmy. You can block all communities (only since very recently) hosted on an instance, but you can’t block the community, that is the users, trolling around the wider fediverse.

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          10 months ago

          I would also argue that having shitheads around and shitting up the comment sections encourages a site culture of shitheaddery. Like, well, 4chan.

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        10 months ago

        Some of us prefer the Fediverse to look a little less like 4chan and pigs shitting on their own balls, and a little more like literally anything else. It’s the same reason why that one alt-right instance was defederated by just about everyone.

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        Oh, it does. As an admin, my “job” is hard enough with the regular spammers, don’t need whole instances dedicated to spamming in my mod queue. Why do I need to make my hobby harder because people want to decide for themselves?

        Luckily, this is fediverse and you have options! You can host your own single person instance and federate with everyone. Just be prepared for some child porn federating onto your hard drives.

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          10 months ago

          You can prevent child porn and everything from federating in, you just have to restrict your instance. lemm.ee does not allow any images to be locally hosted. It becomes a bit of a hassle having to manually host something somewhere else, but that’s how reddit started out so nae bother.

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          What do you even do about that? Is that immediately a crime because your server hosted those images? Like obviously you defed from guilty instances asap, but what do you do as the instance owner in the interim? Report and delete?

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            Report and delete. If you’re lucky, you’re not the one to discover it and it hasn’t federated yet, so you defederate preemptively.

            I know at least one admin, who quit because he was afraid of police raids because of child porn. He said that the US police are quite uncompromising in such cases, but I’m not from the US so I don’t know, EU rules seem a lot saner.

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    10 months ago

    Did he even write theory? I mean, Lenin and Trotsky did but did Stalin?

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      He did. It contradicts basic tenants of Marxism, but he did write theory.

      Edit: tenets. That’s embarrassing. Thanks.

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      10 months ago

      Stalin did some writing, but depending on which tankie you ask, it’s either REVOLUTIONARY AND ASTOUNDING WORK THAT IS UNFAIRLY OVERLOOKED, or just verbose rehashing of Lenin with an (extra) dash of authoritarianism.

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      10 months ago

      I believe his contribution was the idea that a dictatorship of the prolitariate is untenable, and that the state needs a single leader in order to achieve Marxism.

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    10 months ago

    You see, communism, in theory, is great. The biggest problem is that it requires a benevolent authority to determine what is provided based on what is needed and wanted.

    This is a problem because usually communist countries are structured at authoritarian, where the head of state, a person, usually some guy, is in charge of such things, generally with the help of those in the government. Being human and innately flawed and selfish, all communist systems thus far, seem to follow the same trend of exploitation and indentured servitude for the majority of the populous, meanwhile the “upper class”, mainly the elite and the person’s that make up the government live in luxury. More for them and the bare minimum for everyone else.

    If this human factor problem could be resolved, then communism would be a great system. Everyone shares in the wealth and success of their countrymen. But since people are the cornerstone of any government, the system will always be prone to exploitation of the people.

    As for Stalin specifically, I don’t see him or his actions as notably different than any other communist dictator. They are all equally terrible people for very different human rights crimes.

    I like the idea of communism, but I wouldn’t trust any single person to be in charge… I wouldn’t even trust a coalition of people to run it. It would need the involvement of enough people from the population from all different walks of life to essentially vote on policy changes constantly in order to ensure that no individual or group of individuals is unfairly benefiting from the situation, which, that, in and of itself, would be a nightmare to try to put together, manage, coordinate, and abide by.

    Capitalism under democracy isn’t a picnic, but at least there’s enough responsibility imposed on the system by the population that is being governed, that any exploitation is generally slowed at least, or eliminated at best (often the former and not the latter).

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    10 months ago

    The tankies problem is not that he’s misunderstood…it is that he’s understood