Isnt it like a binary choice? It annoys me that fellow peeps are this stupid if my understanding is correct…
If you mean vote for him vs. not vote for him, then yes.
If you mean vote for him vs. the Republican nominee, then no, as there are other options. For starters the article seemed to suggest that some may just not vote at all. They also might vote for him but do so reluctantly, e.g. without discussing with their friends strongly promoting the voting for Biden as they did in the last election.
But it’s a long way to the actual election, and campaigning has not started in earnest yet.
How could that ever be successful? I like the Billions paraphrase
anybody making a bet they don’t know works out [Cotton] is a sucker [schmuck, my word]
—Billions
“Successful”? Ah, I see, you think they are making their choices strategically, rather than emotionally. Interesting. :-D
I kid, but there actually is strategy involved there - by saying that their votes cannot be “counted on”, they could be attempting to wrangle additional concessions.
Ofc there is a bunch of nonsense going on as well - e.g. blaming Biden for not managing to codify Roe v. Wade, in this Congress!? They would have a better chance of asking to go to the moon - that is expensive but at least possible in theory!:-P I mention Congress ofc bc that is the government body that passes laws - the Presidency enforces, maybe vetoes, but does not make laws, so having a President receptive to and even someone who heavily pushes for a certain thing is not sufficient. Contrary to popular opinion, the Presidency has many limitations, and you do not simply show up to vote and somehow life gets “all better”, as some seem to think. Young people can be quite inexperienced and naive sometimes.
Then again, it was not young people that gave us Trump, and if they choose not to bail this country out again a second time, especially if they vote their conscience as a result of Israel (right or wrong mind you, in fact especially the latter), I will not be blaming the least experienced among us as the scapegoat to all of life’s problems… It should not be the case that it is up to those least prepared to deal with a situation, to be the deciding factor that “saves” us all - and the fact that we continue to ignore this aspect every time the young people show up to do so, shows how perilous the situation truly is. Maybe next time they won’t? If so, then we never deserved saving in the first place… bc that’s not freedom, to continually lie in the shadow of destruction.
blaming Biden for not managing to codify Roe v. Wade, in this Congress!?
yes. he likes to take sole credit for their victories, he can also take some credit for their failings, too. Shoulda kept Manchin on a shorter leash.
Not that I imagine biden tried all that hard on it. I mean, he once voted to overturn it. in 1982… he still says that he’s personally opposed. I just imagine it’s not on his list of things he really gives a damn about, but somebody in his camp managed to convince him he at least needs to shut up about.
That’s probably the gist of it right there in fairness - he could have tried harder. Then again, he knows what’s what, and like (a) the mess he inherited from the previous occupant of the job took an enormous amount of effort to deal with, like basically ALL of the efforts, really, that were to spare (and things like the border crisis, huge spike in homelessness, greedflation, etc. continue onwards even now), and so (b) to have fought the good fight would have come at the cost of enormous political capital that would have prevented other things from happening. Thought experiment: what would Dems be willing to give up, in order to have made a useless (I mean purely in the sense of doomed to failure in the short term, though ultimately such things may need a coordinated effort over many years) attempt to appear to try to codify Roe v. Wade? Would we have been willing to sacrifice funding for Ukraine? Passing a budget for the year at all? College loan remittance? Political capital has limits, so in order to work towards that goal, something else must be sacrificed, that’s just reality.
Also, unpopular opinion alert - or rather, adjacent to one, in the service of a deeper understanding - women are not prevented from having abortions, at least on the federal level. If a state such as Florida or Texas etc. prevents such a thing, then don’t live in those states? There are MANY things going on in those states - book burnings, teacher shortages, also libraries, also doctors/nurses, also basic infrastructure, the list just goes on forever - and Biden is merely one old man, so what is he being asked to do, replace Jesus in those states? There is only so much that he or any one person could do. e.g., when a Supreme Court seat opens up, that’s when he can do a lot to work towards his goal, but I cannot say this loudly enough, even as a President he cannot pass laws. He can be part of a solution but he cannot be the entirety of one. Nor should he be.
He could stop sending weapons to Israel. That would be a nice start.
Okay, a fair point, but… we were talking about abortion:-D. (also, can we stop, or is it a stipulation somewhere in the contract that we must send? perhaps any time they are “attacked” we must automatically send a certain amount? there may be more there than the for-profit news media is willing to tell us, thinking that we are too dumbp to undermastand so they instead just focus on emotional one-liners that generate more clicks…)
Civics classes have been cut for decades. Even when I was a kid they never explained that you had to vote for someone you didn’t like.
South Park already dealt with this aha. Douchebag or Turd Sandwich—decide lol
It’s more like a root canal vs a bullet to the head. Both are gonna hurt, but only one is good for you in the long run
Can you explain exactly what people hate so much about Biden?
Like I get he sucked a lot in the past and gave you Clarence Thomas and differential racist treatment of cocaine vs crack cocaine offenders but I don’t get whats currently so terrible about him besides hes old and he has a sketchy history of political disingenuousness
His handling of Israel’s genocide is a big one. This isn’t just because America, Biden’s handling of this mess has been uniquely horrible, and it’s losing him votes.
To…Trump? I totally get what your saying but does Trump plan to call out Bibi, like I don’t get how eviler is comparatively more appropriate than garden-variety evil/negligent
No Trump is obviously worse. But lesser of two evil stuff doesn’t get turnout. Biden needs to convince people to vote for him, not against Trump, and he’s currently doing the opposite of that.
These young voters live in different cities, work different jobs and have varying political beliefs. But among the things they have in common: They voted for Joe Biden in 2020 — and now say the president can’t count on their support in 2024.
“I genuinely could not live with myself if I voted for someone who’s made the decisions that Biden has,” said McKenzie, a 23-year-old working at Starbucks and as a union organizer in Madison, Wisconsin. “I didn’t even feel great about" voting for Biden back in 2020, he said.
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Y’all’be been saying that or similar since at least ‘03.
You need new scare tactics. Or, maybe, stop ignoring over half the base. But details. Yes. Keep blaming us for everything…
Saying that living under fascism is objectively worse than a moderate Democrat who’s almost a Republican is not “blaming you for everything”. My God, has our educational system really gone that far downhill so fast??
has our educational system really gone that far downhill so fast??
Cool it with the insults. You’re revealing your ignorance and lack of actual, persuasive arguments. you can stop repeating the “OR ELSE” mantra. had it from boomers and gen xer’s all my life. I tune it out.
I’m not trying to persuade you man. I’m telling you to put on your big boy pants and stop acting like a god damned baby. Your comments clearly show how you’re using your feelings instead of your brain. Grow up and help the rest of us prevent a disaster.
I’m not trying to persuade you man. I’m telling you to put on your big boy pants and stop acting like a god damned baby. Your comments clearly show how you’re using your feelings instead of your brain. Grow up and help the rest of us prevent a disaster.
You’re clearly trying to intimidate me with insults and fear. “OMG GOD ITS BIDEN OR TRUMP” is a false dichotomy. but go ahead keep ignoring the warnings. keep putting bad candidates on the balllot. keep doing the same goddamn thing that got Trump elected the first time around. it’s okay because… you can happily blame other people who are trying to do something about it.
you do realize that Biden is actively working to provide military support to a genocidial country? you do realize he’s loosing votes with every bullet he sends? but yet, I’m the one whose acting on emotion? fucking hell man, stop it with the “SHUT UP AND DO WHAT WE TELL YOU” already. It’s actually kinda fascist of you. (oops, I’m diluting that term, aren’t I?)
this gen x’er will rearrange your fucking skull you stupid twat.
No, this is actually a dichotomy. First Past the Post mathematically trends towards a two candidate system as its stable state. This isn’t some psychological bullshit, it’s math. The way our system works you never vote for the thing you like; you vote against the thing you don’t. Doing anything else is literally handing the election to the side you don’t like. It’s called the Spoiler Effect and it happens basically everywhere in the US where FPtP is used.
The place you vote for who you want is in the primaries (or their equivalent in your state), not elections. If you’re not participating in those, you get no say in who gets run and bitching about it does nothing. Hell, even then you barely get any say since, as far as I’m aware, both the DNC and RNC actually select their candidate based on a vote of some inner circle bigwigs, not the actual results of any of the state-by-state pageant shows.
You’re ignoring everything we are telling you, while doing the same thing over and over, and then telling us to fall in line to help you.
How about you help us?
And since 03 or earlier, conservatives in America have been consolidating their power to achieve what they have now. Supreme Court dominance enough to undue decades and decades of progress. But yes, pretend these people weren’t right all along. This time, you can safely vote third party , or stay home, probably nothing bad will happen.
You ever consider that perhaps people are and have been paying attention, which is why they won’t vote Left this time? ¬¬
Preach!
You are correct, which is why your left wing peers will never do either, haha.
If you want to vote against Biden do it between February and June during the primarys. Primary races are the time to vote with your heart find your dream candidate and go for it. In November you have 2 choices.
You mean, like the primaries that dems are purposely not holding because the feckless are afraid of actual progressives?
Like, the primaries that are supposed to be going on… now?
That was the candidate’s fault in Tennessee & Florida. Better to for the world to know they are morons now instead of always wondering. Candidates like that shouldn’t be near power.
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Queue the tide of rhetoric insisting it’s between Biden and Trump…. And we’re the problem for not voting they way they tell us to.
But but but the incumbent advantage!1!! We have to run this deeply unpopular octogenarian!
Let me guess, you think some far left candidate will have broader appeal than the centrist? Far too many on the fediverse seem to have difficulty understanding the realities of first-past-the-post.
They ignore the reality of their suddenly disliking Biden & the lack of time on fielding a viable candidate. They didn’t condemn Biden during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis. They don’t know that Trump halted US funds to UNRWA & Biden reversed that. Skipped out on state Democratic conventions despite polling showing Democrat support for Palestine exceed Israel support & they could have tried to push for party platform changes. If they dislike Biden as much as they claim, then why did they not fund a PAC or challenger years ago?
Because we didn’t have a problem with him until he was giving weapons to Israel to commit genocide with
Nothing has ever changed with US-Israel military sales & cooperation. Biden has never championed that he was ever going to end or limit that. Again why did all the “concerned” voter not make an effort to charge the Democratic party platform or support a candidate or effort from the get go?
Quite frankly I question the seriousness of anyone who just became “concerned” now.
Do you not understand how certain recent events may change peoples views on Israel?
Feel free to change their view but be rational about it.
They still have enough time to rally around US House & Senate candidates to advocate for issues such as this. Field a PAC or some kind of effort for 2028 if this is their first foray into single issue voting. Learn about power of down ballot. Get involved with local/state political party perhaps consider joining another one if you are so opposed to the Democratic one.
