being good faith doesn’t mean you are a good debater.

Christopher Hitchens often argued for stuff he didn’t know or care much about but he did an amazing job at it.

Meanwhile a 62 IQ Florida man who thinks the earth is flat might be the most good faith pure of heart debater who beehives that in his heart of heart that the earth is flat. He will be a terrible debater.

What about people who debate issues they don’t agree with and steel man them ? good things have come from this because it causes new people to look at stuff and bring an outside view to things and point out something the activist on either side of a debate haven’t noticed.

It discredits their view points. When you debate you are almost never going to convince the other person the goal is to convince the audience or people who haven’t made up their minds.

so funny thing

Israel asked Bush to strike Iran’s nuclear program. Bush refused

They asked him again to strike Syria’s program

He refused again.

The US airstrikes on Iran, a timeline of tonight, all times are in Tehran time-zone:

• Pre 1am: Israeli drones activated air defenses in several Iranian regions.
• 1:14am: Fighter jets were heard over Shiraz.
• 1:22am: Several aircraft were heard over central Iran.
• 2:04am: Two jets [bombers] and an explosion were heard near Qom. Qom’s countryside is the site of Fordow.
• 2:13am: An explosion was heard near Kashan, another city near Fordow.
• 2:38am: An explosion was heard at Fordow, but it was assumed a drone was intercepted. Which has now proven wrong.
• 2:41am: A loud explosion was heard at Isfahan’s Atomic Energy Facility.
• 2:46am: An explosion was heard at Natanz Nuclear Facility.
• 2:55am: GPS jamming was observed across Iran.

Reminder this only happened because Trump tore up the original deal and Iran was pissed. He had no negotiating position to make a new one because why would Iran agree when you didn’t follow the old one. The cope about it not being approved by congress doesn’t make it illegal. Since when does maga care about that ? Trump has defied judges several times now.

Second wasn’t a big thing Maga roared about was that Trump was anti war ?

Exactly, I know to more normie liberals and Americans Europe’s speech policies seem bad, but the truth is it’s either undemocratic liberalism or illiberal democracy and the Europeans have made their choice. The European populace just can’t be trusted to vote on some issues and it’s been decided immigration is one. Everyone has the right to asylum and Europeans don’t have the right to stop people from fleaing the countries they ruined. I think justice for colonized people is more important then the right of random Europeans to be racist.

That is what I think the left has failed at and it kept me as a baby leftist for a while because I would as a question and they would accuse me of being an alt right troll.

I love debating. I especially love debating right wingers because it’s fun and makes the world better. One thing they are better about one of the few things is answering questions ,if you have questions they have answers. I would make fun of them and ask dumb hypothetical and they would still answer

Thanks I agree and this is a valuable perspective

So funny thing is republicans say the same thing. There is a famous quote ““Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.””

I would argue the left needs to take some responsibility with getting distracted in the culture war and losing site of the working class. Look at Bernie you can go back to 2016 and see people saying that bernie was a bro candidate and not progressive enough compared to hillarly on insert x wedge issue here

there just isn’t a sure path to success anymore. It’s possible to technically do everything right and still fail.

I agree that we need to be more technocratic as I think democracy is kind of running it’s course in the world. Maga also has a lot of contradictions to be fair

I like this actually

do you have an actual answer to the question ?

Also even if you disagree with that, that is how they feel and when it comes to votes weather or not how they feel is justified or not doesn’t matter

I am going to be honest, I think women need to be a a part of this. We are used to being right in regards to gender conflict because usually we are but one thing I agree with men on is that every woman says they want men to share their feelings more but many women lose respect for a man they see as weak.

Bell Hooks talks a lot about this so you can go read her.

the issue with that is with less women dating period since less women want to settle. Would that work ?

There just isn’t a gaurentee or even a good enough chance that being a progressive or supporting progressive politics will get you a girlfriend or wife so would this kind of incentive system work ?

If you want the carrot and stick to work you have to give the carrot.

Telling women to just date random progressive guys for the cause even ignoring the fact it’s not ery ethical. I just don’t think you could convince enough women to do it for it to work

I think housing is another policy that benefits young men a bit more.

Young women now move out of their parents house at higher rates for a reasons.

They are more likely to go to college so they can live in dorms.

A thriving sex work economy allows us to just afford it.

A woman can find a boyfriend easier to help split the cost of rent

xbox is on death’s door

Phl spencer pointed out last gen was the worst to lose because of digital game libraries

Yeh that is the gag.

A similar meme is “Saddam Hussain had WMDs”

This is obejcitevly correct, at ne point Saddam Hussain did possess WMDs. Sarin and Antrhax which are WMDs as per the Geneva convention during the iran iraq war, but by 2003 he had no active program or stock pile

None of you got the meme so I will explain it.

The correct answer is the United States of America.

The whole point is that The USA seems to be the least likely as America especially in the cold war was a racist capitalist country so you would think they would love the racist capitalism of apartheid SA but no actually.

Israel with their never again mantra you would think would oppose the White nationalism of SA but their arms partnership of the apartheid government is very well known especially with the nukes.

The Soviet Union and China. That is surprising but no these countries did actually do arms trade with South Africa. The Soviet Union worked with SA for jet engine development and had this complicated scene with SA, the GDR and South America to get guns to them that were on paper sold to other countries. De beers actually had permits to sell Siberian diamonds since they had gotten so good at diamond smuggling. Same with China.

The joke is that everyone will pick either the Soviet Union or China and think the USA armed Apartheid South Africa but no they are the one country on the list to not do so

None of you got the meme so I will explain it.

The correct answer is the United States of America.

The whole point is that The USA seems to be the least likely as America especially in the cold war was a racist capitalist country so you would think they would love the racist capitalism of apartheid SA but no actually.

Israel with their never again mantra you would think would oppose the White nationalism of SA but their arms partnership of the apartheid government is very well known especially with the nukes.

The Soviet Union and China. That is surprising but no these countries did actually do arms trade with South Africa. The Soviet Union worked with SA for jet engine development and had this complicated scene with SA, the GDR and South America to get guns to them that were on paper sold to other countries. De beers actually had permits to sell Siberian diamonds since they had gotten so good at diamond smuggling. Same with China.