And your alternate options are what?

Why should we ditch Firefox now? Because they have moved slightly in the direction we dislike but are still light years ahead on privacy?

This is the tech version of single issue voting. All the nuance is lost and ignored, and it’s just a knee jerk after knee jerk.

Mozilla is doing this because funding is difficult, if you wanted a free and open web then you should have been donating to the foundation. To some degree we all should have. The majority of their funding comes from Google, when that gets cut they have to make huge changes to their organization or they will completely die.

That’s the reality we live in all those Mozilla engineers have to be paid money, they aren’t working for free. How do you expect a company to function without an income source?

Have you thought about this at all before making statements like those you have made?

Like I said, I’m not arguing that many apps are built as electron apps when they’re just glorified web apps. Though I’m neutral on whether that’s a bad thing or not. I’m definitely against apps being built with electron that don’t really have UIs, defeating the entire point of electron and friends…

VSCode is another example you’re missing. And they have put a LOT of work into making as many features available in the web-version as possible, the feature parity isn’t an accident.

Or Obsidian.

Examples aside, you might be surprised by applications you may not think of as not using native features, that rely heavily on them, expecting to be executing in a Node environment and not a browser one. Especially on the networking and process side. Browsers are extremely restrictive.

What are you talking about…? Please re-read my comment above :/

An electron app is a natjve application that renders a browser based UI. You appear to be conflating the browser-based UI with the whole “native application” thing.

It comes with all the advantages a native application does, like having hardware access, working natively offline, working with the filesystem, interfacing with the OS and installed OS packages, being able to use other native binaries, being able to use more native networking capabilities…etc

Sure lots of electron applications that people make could just be a web app, I’m not arguing that.

I am, however, pointing out that you are grossly incorrect that electron (and all other technologies like it, we’re not really just talking about electron here) is 'just a web app". It’s a native application server and a web-based UI, which means I can write an application in C# with all of the .Net advantages, with a web UI, that runs natively on your device for example.

This lets me ship a product much faster than if I was going to build that UI in QT or GTK, with a significantly upgraded user experience that is consistent across all platforms.

Depression or ADHD?

A bit miserable this week. Got sick, and haven’t been able to sleep more than a few hours a night as a result, which is making it worse.

A misery snowball effect.

Hoping I can get a full night’s sleep soon 🤞

Which is… Also a real desktop app. This shallow take is getting incredibly old, and doesn’t even contribute to actual valuable discussion… If you don’t see the value in this being shipped, then why try and tear the value down for others?

I main C#, and even I would rather build cross platform full applications with electron than any of the other options available. I’m definitely choosing it over QT or gtk. Why? Because I can actually ship the project with all the necessary features, in good time, and bake in a great user experience.

That’s the difference here. Practical problems vs reality. Shipping the project & features vs not.

Yes, there are many successful applications not built with electron, ofc there are, that’s not my point. My point is that the productivity difference is such that it’s the difference between not building the thing vs building it and successful shipping it to users. You can argue and shit on the difference, but at the end of the day the above is what really matters.