switchboard_pete

You can keep using win10 without security updates

if you want to be part of a botnet in a few years, sure

just be smart about it

being smart about it means not using an unsupported os

The discussion is about debts issued by China and their long term impact, which every study shows to be positive

except the ones you just linked, i guess?

you must have been very unlucky when picking which sources to show me :(

I guess it’s easier to make a clown of yourself in public than actually learn about the subject you’re attempting to debate

you know people (other people, not me, i’m here for serious discussion exclusively) only keep you off their blocklist because it’s really funny watching the fediverse e-clown ply their trade every day, right?

probably not a door you want to open unless you want the top map to suddenly get a lot less red

also, even if you accept that line of thinking, it still became an invasion when they crossed the 38th parallel

The debt they owed to the IMF

do you understand how money works? you know it’s fungible, right?

Oh you mean where actual western debt trap was happening?

even in your cartoon world, china is a member of the imf

and even if they weren’t, the largest share of single-source debt was from china

i guess it’s easier to defend a worldview if you just like…make stuff up?

any sort of intellectual integrity from you here

said the person who cherry picked like 3 things to respond to, despite spending most of their life accusing others of cherry picking, and responded to them by making stuff up

sure buddy

okay let’s pretend it’s relevant

selling it services and equipment now absolves a country of guilt

wow, looks like the us is absolved of guilt to a comical degree

comedy hot take understanding of geopolitcs aside, you said they invaded and occupied?

when did they invade and occupy the uk?

Put the Kool-Aid down. Stop uncritically accepting propaganda from neocolonial states and their state media.

I love how you trolls just keep regurgitating the same few tropes

my guy your waking life consists of reposting the same 5 talking points

i’d maybe take a moment of quiet reflection

Chinese Investment In Africa Has Had ‘Significant And Persistently Positive’ Long-Term Effects Despite Controversy

“The results show that Chinese foreign direct investment (FDI) sets in motion a process of transformation in the local economy that damages local competitors but – at the same time – benefits local suppliers to the new Chinese firms as well as their local clients.”

this is another way of saying that local businesses are destroyed, save from the ones that become functionally chinese subsidiaries

if the west did this you’d be having a meltdown

study on Chinese investments

you know that when a bank restructures a loan for you, it’s not out of the goodness of their hearts, right?

and that’s when they do restructure a loan for you, rather than just letting you default and having your economy explode like happened with sri lanka

no debt trap

guys they didn’t SEIZE a port they merely forced a country to lease it for 99 years at a bargain bin price

China and Africa: Ethiopia case study debunks investment myths

ethiopia literally had to default on their debt after this article was published

https://www.lse.ac.uk/iga/assets/documents/research-and-publications/FDI-in-Ethiopia-Crescenzi-Limodio.pdf

see above

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gild/2021/01/26/how-chinese-investment-shape-new-growth-patterns-in-africa/

this is the same as the first link

https://www.asiafinancial.com/china-debt-trap-claims-in-africa-stem-from-us-rivalry-study

this is about the port again

https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/chinas-infrastructure-investment-helps-fast-track-development-in-africa-expert/

this just says “development good” without defining what that is

the same metric would justify european colonialism of africa

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/08/20/china-forgives-debt-africa/

except for all the cases where they don’t and countries have to default, i guess

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/11/broadband-business-formation-and-economic-growth-in-the-global-south-assessing-chinas-impact/

this link isn’t relevant

presumably if somebody’s shipping weapons to israel, you’d be fine with the houthis sinking that ship? so you don’t disagree with the blockade in principle, you just think it’s being implemented too strictly?

the meme never mentions supporting houthis, it says praising them

acknowledging somebody has done something good is praising them

hence “If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis…” is a bad response

korea

played a positive role around the globe helping many other nations develop and improve their standard of living

african debt traps intensify

the uk got invaded?

If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis…

it was a response to this, which in the context of the original post, has a sentiment that directly contradicts what you just agreed with

Yeah but being bad and doing a good thing from time to time doesn’t make you good.

sure, and i’m not saying that the hypothetical would make isis good

i’m saying that it would make fantasy isis worthy of praise for this specific hypothetical achievement

fucking christ can you stop wanking yourself off with rhetoric for 5 minutes and actually address something i’m saying? ta

it’s called a thought experiment

do i think anybody is realistically going to kidnap me and plumb my kidneys into a world famous violinist? no. but i can still use that hypothetical to make a point. do i think anybody is likely to run into a barn at 0.9c while holding a long ladder? no, but i can still use that to learn something.

based on your response, i presume you agree that a group can do bad things, or even be on the whole bad by a very wide margin, but still do something good worthy of praise?

so you agree that a group can do bad things, or even be on the whole bad by a very wide margin, but still do something good worthy of praise?

Hence a blockade is an act of war.

but we’re not talking about something being an act of war

we’re talking about whether it’s morally justifiable

are you saying any offensive war is automatically unjustifiable?

because it disrupts non-Israeli trade

so, just to set a baseline here, are we agreed that

• what israel is doing is bad
• stopping israel from doing what they’re doing is good
• stopping israeli trade might stop what they’re doing
• therefore stopping israel from trading is good

given that trade is definitionally between two separate parties, one of the countries in the equation has to not be israel

how can you stop israel from trading without impacting other countries?

tldr: the sanctions on russia also have an impact on global trade, so if this is your redline, you should be anti-sanctions

I’m sorry that the words ‘attack’ and ‘war crime’ mean nothing to you.

are you saying the blockade is different to sanctions because russia attacked ukraine and is committing war crimes?

i’m not sure if you’ve paid attention to things in israel recently

I dispute that, even if they were, that their actions constitute in any way a viable way to blockade Israel

so their actions are bad because you don’t think they’ll be effective? honestly, pressuring global trade has historically been a pretty good way of achieving goals in capitalism

I dispute that attacking civilians, a war crime, is morally acceptable.

again, sanctions on russia have definitely killed people

so you’re fine with people dying, just so long as they do it from freezing to death in their homes rather than by direct military action?