A pirated car would just be a more free way to access the $10k/yr pay wall you live your life behind. Car-dominant infrastructure is vendor lock in.

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  • n2burns@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    As they pointed out in your original post, it’s not, “the subscription model…for something that you already paid & own.” This isn’t subscription seat warmers, it’s paying for an additional service outside the car. You can argue it’s too expensive, but without their internet connection and servers, these features wouldn’t be possible.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      10 months ago

      There’s no need to host servers for 99% (maybe 100%) of this stuff. All the remote start features can be done through a direct connection between your phone and car. There’s no need for a third computer to be involved, except to check if you’ve paid for it. As long as your car has wifi access (or phone network access, which would need to be paid for) then it can communicate with other devices on the network/internet. Sure, you still have to pay for the internet, but that’s paid to the ISP, not the car company.

      • n2burns@lemmy.ca
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        10 months ago

        I’m not sure which direct connection you’re thinking of, but for most phones that would be limited to WiFi (probably WiFi Direct), Bluetooth, and maybe NFC. NFC range is tiny and Bluetooth’s is pretty small. WiFi’s range is approximately the same thing as an RF remote, which isn’t great.

        Also, if we did have direct connection (which would be great for confirming the start worked, and the status of the car), why would we need internet??

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          10 months ago

          By direct I meant routing to the car and user device, not through company servers. There’s no need for that. Both devices are computers. The only reason the company would need it routed through them first is to make sure you’ve paid up.

          • n2burns@lemmy.ca
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            10 months ago
            1. That would mean the vehicle still needs an internet connection, presumably a cell connection, which is a service.
            2. Removing the manufacturer’s server would make the car the server, and would mean exposing your car to the whole internet. That’s a bad plan.
            • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              10 months ago

              1. Yes, I mentioned that. However, the cell plan would be a lot cheaper. There shouldn’t be a lot of data coming through.

              2. It would mean exposing it as much as any other device is exposed. It’d have a port open and listening for communication. Honestly, I’m pretty sure it’d be identical to how it is currently. It’s not like sending the communication from the company server is any different than from any other device. Its not connecting directly to the company’s servers. It’s a wireless service. Sure, it needs security measures, but it already needs that.

    • FireRetardant@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Remote start has been around for well over a decade and did not require internet or a subscription. If you just subscribe and use the feature then clearly the neccesary equipment for remote start is already installed and you paid for that equipment regardless if you use the subscription service.

      • LovesTha🥧@floss.social
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        10 months ago

        @FireRetardant @n2burns Remote start can mean different things. I’d hope a subscription based one was via a server and works where normal direct RF fobs wouldn’t (like from another country).

        If it is just direct RF based remote start that shouldn’t be a subscription.

        • FireRetardant@lemmy.world
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          10 months ago

          So what happens when your car has no cell service? Or you don’t own a phone that supports the app? The only use case I can see is long distance remote start but I’m struggling to determine why someone would reasonably need that.

          The only reasons they went away from RF is to justify subscriptions and further push the smart device trend where everything can connect to your phone.