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Early car sales data for January is starting to arrive from countries across the pond, and they paint an alarming picture for Tesla. Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK—all affluent countries that are key markets for Tesla’s electric vehicles. Coming on the heels of a large financial miss, it’s just one more problem for the automaker.
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Oh, I thought they were literally toxic. Like made with banned materials in the EU
I’m also not buying Space Internet from a Space Nazi.
As far as I am concerned, That space Nazi should fuck off into space yesterday.
It’s a brand I associate with Nazi supporters.
Keep in mind a lot of people purchased their vehicles back when Tesla actually seemed to be following their states goals, before many FSD debacles, and well before Elon’s purchase of Twittera and shift to being a public Nazi.
I know someone who bought one after the first FSD debacles because at the time it was the only available electric car rated to pull his trailer when fully loaded; most electrics wouldn’t do more than 750 kg. He doesn’t give a shit about FSD but he does have a big trailer.
Probably a bit of a bad look these days, though, given that he’s politically active for the local Green Party.
You can safely omit the last word in your sentence.
It’s the same thing, really.
Implying that there could be nazis who don’t really support white supremacist values, but are a part of the movement due to peer pressure or something?
There’s a lot of gaslighting lately to try and come across as more palatable to the mainstream audience with people saying stuff like it’s not a Nazi salute or people are too sensitive these days when it inappropriate comments.
So there’s people who gaslight others, and some who are gaslighting themselves into trying to convince themselves there is nothing wrong with the people and ideologies they support. Which isn’t rare and often seen when it comes to support of celebrities who’ve been accused of bad things as an example.
There’s also people who know they would not be accepted by Nazis because of their background, but still share a lot of the same discriminatory beliefs leading to some degree of fondness.
I think as we move forward in time the line between ‘Nazi’ and ‘supporter of the Nazi party’ and ‘collaborator with nazis’ becomes blurred. When looking at ww2 and the time when the Nazi party ruled in Germany, we don’t make that kind of distinction in general.
Yeah definitely in a WW2 Germany there were plenty of people who just decided to go with the flow. I think that most people who nowadays get labeled nazis are mostly hard core racists. The number of passive supporters and collaborators is probably rather small by comparison.
That violin looks a bit large
They’re massively overpriced cars, the design quality is shit, and the “luxury” is basically zero. It’s an outdated model that’s now lagging years behind the competition.
Why would anyone get one, even if they didn’t shout “I financially support nazism”.
Simple, when I purchased my Model 3 back when it launched in 2018, I was making 150 mile trips weekly. The other available EVs either had less than 100 mile range, or were made by other brands that already make shit ICE vehicles (so why would I trust them to make good EVs with new tech) like Ford/Chevy. Or they were on the much higher end of pricing, competing against the expensive Tesla models, not the new cheaper Model 3.
There wasn’t much of a middle ground, either a grocery getter like the Leaf, or expensive luxury models at $80k+. There still isn’t much in the middle market honestly.
At least for Europe that’s not the case any more. The US market might be different but here there’s plenty of cars in the €25/30k range with 350+ km range from the traditional manufacturers. They also have established dealership networks for repairs, financing, testing, etc.
I really think Tesla has ficked it up big time, at least here.
Which models are you referencing as alternatives? Genuinely curious
It really depends on your exact needs but there’s plenty to choose from. This is not an exhaustive list, but I’ve been looking for a few months because I need to retire my old ICE Volvo and these are some of the ones that caught my eye. I tend to take the train or plane when the trip is 3+h, so I might go for one of the cheaper ones, e.g. ë-C3 has a 320km range which is plenty for me, and at that price point, I don’t need to finance it.
Citroën ë-C3 20k Volvo ex30 36k Peugeot e-208 28k KIA ev3 33k Hyundai Kona 31k
You might be interested in looking into the Chinese brands also, MG and BYD have decent offerings as well.
The people who support Nazis are not the same people who buy Teslas in Europe. I’ve seen on reddit (ie may be fake don’t rely on it) that one person had put a " I bought it before we knew he was a Nazi" sticker on their tesla.
There a four Teslas in my buildings underground parking garage here in Germany. One of them my own.
3 of the 4 of them have that sticker. Also, one of them my own.
The one that didn’t, did have it, until he needed some service done, and when the car came back, the sticker was gone. So, I don’t know if he removed it to avoid any issues, or if that was a “service” that Tesla provided.
I placed the order in 2021, so truly we didn’t know. It was back when Germany had the €9,000 subsidy and it made sense.
It’s sad what he’s done, because I love the car, but hate what he’s done. But I’m not at a point where I can just get rid of it because he lost his marbles.
Sounds like backup stickers are an important consumable you need to own with the Nazi car.
The ‘swasticar’
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When would you say was the point where it became really obvious that musk was an extremely bad person? Because for a while there he had a great pr team and was widely regarded as ‘the eccentric maverick shaking up the EV industry’. Any watershed you’d point to?
He called a thai cave diver a pedophile in 2018, which pretty much started the complete crumbling of his image as … well, not a complete asshole.
Fighting the union at Tesla was a big one for me. But you’re right, he did have great pr early on.
Beside the whole Elon is a Nazi story,
Peope who can spend the price of an appartment in a car, already own a Tesla, and other brands start to make decent electric car. Sure the Electric version of the Peugeot 208 or the fiat 500 may lack a bit range to be usable, but if you go to intermediate models you’ll find car which can definitely compete with a Tesla.
Sure the Electric version of the Peugeot 208 or the fiat 500 may lack a bit range to be usable,
Um, I disagree. According to ADAC (german automobile club) testings, a Fiat 500 EV has a range of 150 km or 250 km (small and big battery, respectively). Even 150 km is perfectly fine for the daily ride to work and some groceries on the way home.
The latest Peugeot e-208 according to ADAC tests has a range of 360 km.
For comparison: ADAC tested the Skoda Enyaq 85x (their test winner for compact cars in that testing cycle) in march 24 with 300-450 km. Both the Fiat 500 and the Peugeot 208 are designed for urban environments though, and you don’t need a huge range there. Both cars have adequate ranges for their environment.
(Both are way too expensive though, but that is a common issue among european BEVs.)I have a few fiats and Peugeot parked outside my house and for a urban environment the Peugeot is freaking huge when compared to the cute and small fiat that actually fits in a urban environment.
They’re not that different. A Fiat 500 EV is only 42.3 cm shorter and 6.2 cm slimmer but 9.7 cm taller than a Peugeot e-208.
Who wants to place bets that Musk starts making v8s to appeal to his new base
Or at least installing a ROLL COAL button
The only thing Teslas have going for it is that they’re electric. They’re not really great cars, so if they lose that edge there’s nothing left.
Awful attempt at alliteration
