• AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 hour ago

      Those ships exploding could really have been dangerous to those low flying planes overhead. Very inconsiderate from the US people. Typical.

  • Furbag@lemmy.world
    44·
    18 hours ago

    It wasn’t even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a “training exercise”. How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?

      • jabeez@lemmy.todayEnglish
        13·
        17 hours ago

        Only Trump did I think.

        Unfortunately not, have seen quite a few on here just today regurgitating the idea that the Ukraine goaded Russia into invading, so it’s like, Ukraine’s fault and they started it. Or something. Fuck I hate people, just absolutely no shame, reality is whatever the hell they want it to be I guess.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          8·
          14 hours ago

          Well Ukraine shouldn’t dress like that. Showing their grain and warm water port for all to see. Everyone knew they were selling their grain to all sorts of people. They should’ve seen it coming really /s obviously

        • bss03@infosec.pubEnglish
          56·
          17 hours ago

          It’s complicated. Ukraine didn’t directly attack Russian people or infrastructure, but they did take actions that would have reduced Russia power, and Russia did consider that casus belli. From that perspective, Ukraine did start the war.

          I don’t agree with this interpretation, and I think it is hard to square with “international law”, but it is a form of realpolitik that the U.S. has engaged in previously (and likely will in the future), overthrowing or manipulating Central and South American nations, in particular.

          It doesn’t surprise me AT ALL, that Trump would buy into this interpretation. Even without his known Russian biases due to funding, he really doesn’t see the point or ethics or morality. For him it’s just about power and heirarchy, so realpolitik is his only possible perspective on how any government or leader should behave.

  • Geobloke@lemm.ee
    16·
    15 hours ago

    If this is how Trump negotiates, I think we cash see why he been bankrupt so many times

  • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
    13·
    18 hours ago

    Donald Trump’s entire career seems to be built on a single expression he makes. Essentially the one in that picture. I’m not sure what it is but it conveys some combination of superiority, disdain, and disinterest. It’s clearly very successful at establishing dominance, for some reason. Awful man.

    • SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world
      5·
      17 hours ago

      Yeah, it’s been his personality all his life. “I take no responsibility for anything” Therefore, he is absolved of everything.

  • Geobloke@lemm.ee
    1151·
    2 days ago

    Putin has repeatedly said that Zelensky is illegitimate and would not negotiate with him. Guess who isn’t invited to this particular set of negotiations?

    The US has opened negotiations in a strong position by giving one side everything they asked for, to the point that the Russians are trying to figure out what else they can get away with.

    When Trump eventually concludes negations it’ll be every bit as hollow as Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a mission accomplished banner behind him. Trump will demand a Noble prize, just like the one Obama got. Peace will not be achieved.

    • Mio@feddit.nu
      9·
      18 hours ago

      It is not a negotiation if the partners making the deal is not included.

      Trump just looking for what he can win from this. He does not care if the deal is fair.

      • Geobloke@lemm.ee
        4·
        15 hours ago

        That isn’t the point of these talks. Trump, has no ideology other than what makes Trump look good. I’m that vein, these talks will

        1. Get Trump a Nobel prize for ending an “intractable” war. Suck it Obama.

        2. Stop sending money outside the US. Trump as far as I can tell has never had any friends. He can’t figure out why you would help any one who is worse off you than yourself.

        3. Which brings me to the final point. Putin, is on paper the stronger person in this conflict. Trump doesn’t see character as a useful trait, which in this comparison completely negates what ever Ukraine and Zelensky bring to the table. I don’t think any one knows why he likes the man so much, but Trump clearly wants to ingratiate himself with him, so he’s bending over backwards to give him what he wants.

    • NoxAstrum@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      17 hours ago

      Trump thinks he’s some sort of great negotiator. Putin is laughing the whole time.

    • blady_blah@lemmy.world
      70·
      2 days ago

      No, it’ll be worse. Trump will use this as a way to remove all sanctions from Russia. He will basically try to reinstate Putin as part of the world economy. After this war of aggression, after all this destruction and death, Trump wants to brush Putin off and put a Halo on it.

      Fuck that orange shit stain.

      • JokeDeity@lemm.ee
        16·
        24 hours ago

        Just like the people in other countries will forever hate me for being American, I will forever hate all Russians and Israelis for allowing their governments to do what they’ve done. I don’t even care if that’s right or wrong anymore, I’m just tired and weak from all this constant shit.

  • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.comEnglish
    18·
    1 day ago

    From the view of Putler, this episode of the war is ending, so that the next can start in a few years… Trump can’t plan more than 7 days ahead…

  • JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world
    1411·
    2 days ago

    For context, as a writer at The Atlantic described it:

    The negotiators displayed mainly incompetence, as well as cringeworthy servility to their master in the White House. Trump’s part, though, was pure malignity. Shortly after the meeting ended, he criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, lied about the latter’s polling numbers, and said, in a particularly callous remark, that Ukraine had had a seat at the table for three years. How being invaded and having your civilians tortured, raped, and slaughtered counts as a seat at the table is beyond understanding.

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
      782·
      2 days ago

      It’s not beyond understanding. It’s corruption and treason. Putin is now POTUS when it comes to Ukraine, and NATO apparently

        • Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
          11·
          2 days ago

          Putin stand behind the man that stands in front of the president of the USA. Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.

          What a democracy, the jewel of the free (market) world.

            • Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
              12·
              17 hours ago

              Jesters are the ones that tell the truth to the king without fear of execution. Trump couldn’t be a jester if he tried. He can’t joke or jape, he has nothing but hate in his heart.

              Edit: I forgot to add that he is pathologically unable to actually tell the truth, the most important part of the jesters job.

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
    1·
    17 hours ago

    Trump…Just digging a foundation here for my mansion expansion plan that goes into your property! I don’t wanna start a war or anything, but I’ll just have a bunch of my guys with gun walking around in your property. I assumed that was OK…again, didn’t want to start a war. Just trying out our tanks around your town…again, not trying to start a war.

  • motor_spirit@lemmy.world
    671·
    2 days ago

    I hope the world treats him like the cowardly incontinent little bitch he is

    Nobody should fear or respect a single word from this scumbag, call his fucking bluff and that of his spineless and thoughtless followers

    Strip them of their lil platform of bullshit

    Alienate the US politically and economically until they respond to financial impact of their errors

    Drag these dumb cunts through the streets for the world to see, there’s no time for this bullshit with these dickless hoes

    • Soup@lemmy.world
      211·
      2 days ago

      Don’t worry about economic alienation, they’re already doing that themselves.

  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
    6026·
    2 days ago

    US is negotiating on behalf of Russia while EU is jerking off in the corner like a pathetic cuck.

    Ukraine is so fucked and free world is a bunch of limp dick clowns.

    Ukraine needs nukes.

      • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
        352·
        2 days ago

        NATO means nothing because Trump won’t back NATO if a NATO country is attacked. Trump wouldn’t defend the US even if the US was invaded.

        Going forward, Europe needs to assume there’s no US. If they can’t supply Ukraine, they can’t supply NATO.

        • theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
          7·
          2 days ago

          Eu membership entails that we defend each other! Its just never was called for bef

          But Russia really broke its fangs into Ukraine, the big strong russian warmachine can’t deal with lil poor Ukraine… So its not like our mutual def pack will be called now!

      • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
        1212·
        2 days ago

        NATO is not happening now.

        EU will NOT do what it takes. Germany’s ruling oligarch clan wants Russian gas back on, everyone else can get fucked.

        Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to defend itself properly.

        I hope they already started the assembly. Ukraine tried to play by the rules and look where it go it. Geopolitics at the end of the day who has the guns and will to use them.

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              7·
              2 days ago

              Like this? Like switching domestic heating over to heat pumps? Germany isn’t planning on using any fossil gas in the future, the stuff that will be left (because it cannot be avoided, e.g. as chemical feedstock, or to reduce iron ore) will be green hydrogen.

              Also I’m sorry you don’t like Gepards, or Leopards. Or Lynxes. Big cats in general.

              • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                1 day ago

                You haven’t been following the innumerable articles about German industries wringing their hands and moaning about the good old days of cheap energy. They might be cajoling the general public, but the corporations are suffering and having trouble adapting. Everything was designed around cheap Russian gas. And they’ve thrown all of their nuclear infrastructure away because of their rabid ecologist party (which has in part contaminated their French neighbours).

                • barsoap@lemm.ee
                  4·
                  1 day ago

                  Nuclear is no replacement for the critical uses of gas, noone wants to build it anyway because it’s expensive AF, and yes of course companies are moaning. They always are.

                  A full 1/3rd of German gas use is domestic heating which is getting replaced by heat pumps now, up to 70% of the replacement costs get covered by the state. Because, apparently, Germany wants to stick with Russian gas? Meanwhile, French industry uses ballpark the same amount of gas as the German industry. Yet noone is talking about the French industry controlling the French state, making them bow to Russians.

                  The fuck are you people talking about. What parallel dimension are you living in.

              • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
                18·
                2 days ago
                1. Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza with direct support from Germany
                2. Ukraine is losing the war to Russian in part because Germany’s support has been spotty at best.
                3. US maintains 40k troops within Germany to defend it against Russia when Germany can barely slap two operational brigades for deployment while spending similar tomoney to France who actually maintains a proper defense posture. Who is stealing all this defense money?
                • barsoap@lemm.ee
                  8·
                  2 days ago
                  1. Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand
                  2. Neither is Ukraine losing nor has the support been spotty. It could certainly be more intense, but it has been steady.
                  3. Where is what money? Our defence budget has been a joke for ages.

                  Go back to lemmygrad, FUD there.

        • theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
          32·
          2 days ago

          What is the eu supposed to do? Unlike the US our hand down equipment is shet, ukraine doesn’t want it unlike the us stockpile? So we have and will fund the war!

          The unfortunate and sensitive truth of the war is, that russia has to “win”! It does if doesn’t want to repeat the October revolution! The thing is it can’t, what do you think what the fuck would happen if Ukraine got its nukes and strategic bomber fleet back bec russia broke the budapest accord? That Putin would shy away from a nuclear war if his gilded throne starts shaking?

          • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
            75·
            2 days ago

            If EU wants to be treated like a global player, EU should be deploying in Ukraine. Defeat Russia in its own back yard.

            Then EU can start demanding to be treated like equal patner vis a vis US

            That’s the thing about credibility, it requires hard sick power and result. None of which EU shown thus far.

            Trump exposed EU for being weak as bitches and instead of EU doing the thing, they do more sumits and thoughts and prayers.

            Nobody is stopping anynof EU member states to deploy in Ukraine. Russia got Koreans helping the JFC…

            • theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
              32·
              1 day ago

              Because you americans sent your troops in? Need I remind you again that while your are handing down your worn out military equipment, we are going into debt to fund the Ukrainian war?

              But I am going to ask you once again to think about what you typed! Oki, eu goes in with the troops, now what? Putin leader of strong big russian war machine, who by his own propaganda does claims to be able to rekt nato in it’s entirety, is not only threatened by the shame of not being capable of dealing with small poor ukraine and recreating the conditions of the oktober revolution but an actual invasion of a wildly superior force? Nuclear war! Nuclear war that will destroy all of europe including that of ukraine! But you don’t live here do you? Why would you care for hundreds of millions of lives here you american cunt!

              I know this is going to be a strange concept for you, an american cunt, but the eu does not want to become a colonialist power! Unlike you american fucks we don’t want to risk nuclear armageddon so that your collective minuscular cock seems ever little larger!

              • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
                3·
                20 hours ago

                Because you americans sent your troops in?

                Trump doesn’t care if Russian invades the EU.

                Nuclear war that will destroy all of europe including that of ukraine!

                The EU defending Ukraine is no reason for Putin to commit suicide.

                • theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  22 hours ago

                  Righties, claim that the other has a meltdown so that you don’t have to address their argument… This is sad mate!

            • Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              42·
              2 days ago

              I’ll make you recall this comment when a Russian bomb tore your place apart just because the EU started to be credible.

              There are 450m EU citizens at risk. Those are the ones the EU member countries have to care about. Yeah, we hate what Putin did to UA but our priority is EU first and there’s nothing wrong about that.

              Deploying EU troops on UA territory and let them fight Russian soldiers directly will be seen as an act of war. That’s not yet another red line that Russia set up and people ignored. Putin will warm up whatever nukes he has left - not as a threat but as a weapon to use.

              And then what? Would you risk everything just to prove what a mean boy you are?

              • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
                1·
                20 hours ago

                Deploying EU troops on UA territory

                Ukraine doesn’t ask for that. They only need weapons which you won’t give.

                • Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  2·
                  17 hours ago

                  UA wants security guarantees. Deploying Western troops on their territory to secure the borders is a security guarantee.
                  That is what can prevent another attack by Russia. RUS would have to attack these troops to advance which would trigger not just a war against UA (again) but also against whom those troops belong to.

                  And yeah, UA needs more weapons.

              • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
                47·
                2 days ago

                Tuck that dick for Putin harder, boy.

                Clearly Europeans forgot their own history.

                Pathetic.

                • angrystego@lemmy.world
                  31·
                  1 day ago

                  That’s unfortunately exactly the case. Europeans forgot. Pro-Putin populists and nazis are on the rise in many European countries.

                • Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  31·
                  2 days ago

                  Oh we remember our history very clearly. We are currently in the most peaceful period of our continent since its colonization. And we clearly need that peace because the last wars on this continent were more bloodier and deathly than the ones before.

                  If Europe decides to return to ye old days there won’t just be a litte squabble at the edges - WW3 will happen! Don’t you realize that?

                • tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works
                  21·
                  1 day ago

                  Would you have your own country’s military deploy in Ukraine? Would you, personally, go help Ukrainians fight the Russian invaders? This ain’t age of empires. In the real world, nobody wants to go to war. This is why in a democracy, elected leaders might hesitate whereas dictators don’t really mind spending a few thousand lives to make a point.