This was me with Ethan Klein/H3H3 over the past ~14ish months. Their podcast content used to be lighthearted Internet drama with funny soundbytes, but now the dude is having a major crashout about Gaza after rotting his brain with Israeli state propaganda media coverage. He’s always been an out-of-touch rich asshole, but now he’s so far out of pocket it’s unbearable to watch.
h3 is an incredibly interesting part of internet fandom/history. my phones about to die but if anyone is into it, i’ve “personally been there” since the very early days of their channel and think i have a decent perspective on the entire dynamic here, i might do a little actual, extensive write up in an edit here when i get home later.
i find h3 is fun to discuss as throughout his history on the internet he’s unique in of that he has entirely abandoned his audience multiple times. on the outside he’s a hypocrite (which is definitely true don’t get me wrong), but i think “inside” it’s a more machievallian and sinister sort of thing. frankly ethan and hila not only do alt-right dogwhistling better than anyone else; they invented a whole new technique. idk what to call it. but their snake-y nature lets them subvert typical premonitions and community norms time and time again and infiltrate way further into communities any other alt-righter would get nowhere near as close into the spheres of.
I think h3 is kind of a hidden nexus of fringe->main stream internet culture throughout the last like 15 years. Every wave Ethan has ridden has never been the main thing, it’s always right on the periphery of mainstream internet culture. That way he has cultivated a tiny amount of fans from every wave but never enough to get him into the public eye, and as a result everyone who knows him thinks they know someone “under ground” and he doesn’t shy away from that branding.
I don’t think it’s Machiavellian. I think it’s more just that Ethan has always held incoherent views (like everyone in the world) and his brand is to be unapologetically opinionated, so now that he’s dug his heels in on Gaza there’s no moving him until he has fully crashed and burned.
I mean he’s Jewish and his wife is from Israel, they have family members or at least know people personally who are in Israel and have their whole life, so the propaganda they’ve been fed is ingrained in their family identity.
It’s not an excuse, it’s sad to see, but as you pointed out he’s always declared himself a “capitalist” and has taken some pretty right wing positions. It’s just to say it’s not intentional, just a stupid dude who doesn’t work to hard to form opinions about stuff. I wouldn’t say this about every grifter, it’s just that H3 started out much more innocently and I don’t think they spent a decade keeping up a ruse like that I think it was genuine. I mean you really think he was doing Vape Nashe videos concocting how he was going to infiltrate internet culture to push right wing propaganda?
His wife is Israeli isnt she? I also thought they were pretty anti israel and she tried turning away from that life… I havent watched any of his videos since the “hugh mungus” era so I’ve no clue.
They recently had a kid, all Hasbara had to do was give them a couple mil contract to help their kids future in exchange for taking a side on an issue he never really cared about or brought up before October 7th. The ol’ “I have kids to take care of” spiritual bypass is a powerful excuse for going along with atrocities, 99% of westerners practice this every day.
They support Israel’s right to exist and were disgusted by October 7th. Idk what the OC is talking about, but this platform is filled with Hamas/Russian propaganda - as much as people see the Russian tankies, they don’t see the connection, apparently.
You can’t be a Tankie and a supporter of Russia today. The USSR is gone. What are you even talking about? Do you even know what the words your using mean?
Their beliefs don’t make any sense no. But it’s still true that they hold them.
After much pondering of this mystery, I’ve found the likely explanation to be that they are less pro communism than they are anti the USA. And that their thinking is firmly rooted in cold war propaganda.
The West Bloc is the source of all evil, so anyone the USA supports is evil and anyone who oppose them is good. Russia must be justified in their invasion because it is opposed by the West.
Turns out his free use of using the Nword and calling hasidic jews “dirty and nasty” meant he was actually just a bad guy. He just needed to find an outlet for hating brown people that people would support. He’s found it now.
This is so dumb. Ethan s always been anti apartheid and settlements, but the Hassan fans got into a tiffy because he called them out for their unhinged - and they really are unhinged takes
I’m seeing this play out on the Hasan Piker side of things, and it’s outrageous but also completely hilarious that Ethan will not have a conversation with Hasan or Sam Seder about Gaza. The propaganda of the State of Israel, and plain old sunk cost fallacy has left him paralyzed as a liberal. I hope he doesn’t stay in that place for the rest of his days because it’s destructive, but some people have to bottom out before they can come up for air. I just hope that means all the hate and trouble both sides of the American political divide give him doesn’t lead to anything drastic.
There is nothing healthy about Hasans coverage of this. He is completely audience captured and will say the most unhinged things. Also, he lies non-stop and the fact he has a platform this big is really sad
Hasan is absolutely not audience captured. He sticks to his morals, and does not change his views to suit his audience. He whips them into shape instead, and has conversations/debates with those in his community that disagree with him in order to get them to see his side of things.
Hasan has barely covered this Ethan shit in the past year and a half! Instead, Hasan has been covering news that actually matters like the peril of the Palestinian peoples and Trump’s lunacy in public office. Ethan is the unhealthy one, as can be seen by all of the subscribers he’s lost over the last year and a half, and the responses his dwindled audience leaves on the H3H3 subreddit pushing to leave the Hasan drama alone.
Ethan is confused and is falling into a very toxic trap. He’s cozying up to a liberal content creator that has sexually harassed multiple women in the past, and is currently undergoing a suit for using revenge porn to get women to submit to him. These are not the kinds of people I would want a progressive advocate like Ethan to hang around.
Also, Hasan does not lie. He uses facts and statistics. He spends a lot of time combating the lies of Trump and his party, and of the Democrats because they are not so pure as people think.
Hasan only has a platform because of the Twitch subscribers that give him their money on a monthly basis. He does not grift to the right by accepting money from corporate donors or benefitting from the conservative-laced algorithms on modern day social media platforms. He is a leftist, and with those views in today’s age, almost everyone on the political spectrum is against him. It is not sad that he’s gotten this big. He saw 300k+ people watch his stream on the night of the 2024 US General Election. Hasan has built up his community over many years by being honest, staying true to his values, and not budging when it comes to external influences trying to silence him. I find Hasan quite inspirational in this way.
What’s sad is the state of the American government, the conservatives that are destroying it, the liberals that are allowing it to happen, the absolute void of American class consciousness, and yes the poor, pathetic attempts by Ethan Klein to try to smear Hasan when Ethan’s the one with skeletons in his closet.
Hasan doesn’t lie?? Really?? Look, it’s not intentional, like malicious lies but holy hell is the man uniformed on… Everything. Yet he speaks with so much confidence. He repeats so many Russia talking points when covering Ukraine (not to even mention that time he outright said Russia had a right to invade Ukraine). Or that time he called the jdam hitting a hospital in Gaza killing 500 people only for it to turn out to be a misfired rocket hitting a parking lot. But he’s so confident. All the time. Give me a fucking break. Not to mention his toxic community and fans (Frogan) saying the most despicable shit ever. They are not healthy people and it’s all a big performative joke.
There are hours of YouTube videos disproving Hasan lies. And no, before you jump to hit reply, it’s not “clipped out of context”. I’ve watched all the context.
Also, the guy doesn’t do debates any more because he’s a whiny loser who cries because he can’t spend five minutes to do the most basic of basic research before forming an opinion.
There are WAY better leftie content to follow on YT/Twitch. Start with Loner Box maybe. Anyone really.
not to even mention that time he outright said Russia had a right to invade Ukraine
Hasan has since said he was wrong on that point, and has since retracted said opinion and instead argued for the sovereignty of Ukraine as any other nation state, including Palestine. He reiterates this at least on a weekly basis to correct people like you that show up in the chat of his Twitch channel.
The fact that you’re using this example as a way to discredit Hasan however is demonstrative of how emotional you’re approaching this situation and how little you’ve done your own research to double check your views over time.
Or that time he called the jdam hitting a hospital in Gaza killing 500 people only for it to turn out to be a misfired rocket hitting a parking lot.
If you’re talking about the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion, then the jury’s still out on exactly what happened. Neither Israel, Hamas, nor the PIJ have provided visual evidence of what may have caused the hospital explosion. We won’t know what happened unless an independent organization like the UN can go there (and be safe to do their investigation, although Israel has broken this accord many times now). It also appears that the main missile people claim caused the hospital explosion has been debunked.
Have you asked Hasan recently what he thinks on the matter: to double check and/or correct your views? Do you acknowledge that early on in the Gaza War, things were messy, and what Hasan and other might have believed at one time could have changed as new evidence presents itself? Does your world view allow for progress, or are you a moral conservative that lives in some crystallisation of the past?
But he’s so confident. All the time.
Because he has to protect himself and his community on an increasingly frequent basis due to him and his community being in the minority, and when it comes to people like you espousing caricatures and false perceptions of their opinions on the matter. Are you of a minority? Which one? Do you have your life exposed to the broader public on a daily basis, and are forced to stand your ground multiple times a day?
Not to mention his toxic community and fans (Frogan) saying the most despicable shit ever.
Are you referring to when Frogan and her Arabic friends did a tier list of who can say the word “Habibi” (Arabic for “my love”) or not? And if they qualify, they get a “Habibi” pass? A concept called racial passing where members of a certain race wished to be seen as belonging to a different race, and to obtain that race’s “pass”? And how they called the lowest tier “Sabra”, in relation to the Israeli hummus company?
Sabra isn’t the best hummus for starters. Some people refer to it as the McDonald’s of hummus, where there are many better alternatives. The name Sabra refers to the Sabra and Shatila massacre in which IDF-backed forces killed 1-4k Palestinians and Lebanese people’s. Many people and organizations have chosen to boycott Sabra because the company’s holding company directly supports the IDF’s military. I think it’s fair to call the lowest tier of person to receive a Habibi pass Sabra because said company in part funds a genocide. This is akin to calling that person a Nazi.
They are not healthy people and it’s all a big performative joke.
Have you watched Ethan’s content? Have you seen Ethan dismiss Hasan’s requests to talk about their issues in real time? Because all Ethan does is try to clip Hasan out of context so he can get people less involved in the context of the situation to agree with him and come to his side.
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Since when was it healthy for a person to have a disjointed conversation with someone like Ethan does with clips? Are we trying to normalize that behavior? What if you did that in real life? Would people treat you weirdly if you popped in and out of their life, quoting them incorrectly? Seems to me that would piss off a lot of people, and that surely shouldn’t be the way we conduct our society if we wish to make moral, epistemological, and metaphysical progress.
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There are hours of YouTube videos disproving Hasan lies.
If you did, you’d already have all of the answer to my above questions. But you retain old news because you don’t keep us with Hasan’s content, and likely insulate yourself in Ethan’s echo chamber.
Also, the guy doesn’t do debates any more because he’s a whiny loser who cries because he can’t spend five minutes to do the most basic of basic research before forming an opinion.
Every time Ethan has called Hasan out of asked Hasan to watch the video, Hasan has said that he’d be willing to do a live debate and get the facts straight. Ethan every time has been a coward and refused to talk to Hasan live. Oh, and Hasan doesdebate. All Ethan does is shrivel up in his bubble and hide.
There are WAY better leftie content to follow on YT/Twitch. Start with Loner Box maybe. Anyone really.
You’re missing the forest for the trees. The cherry picked examples are not at all interesting or what I’m referring to.
It’s wonderful that he’s since retracted his position on Ukraine. It’s wonderful that he’s changed his tune on the hospital bombing. That’s not the issue.
The problem is the pattern.
He jumps to conclusions that fit his narrative and speaks with extreme confidence on things he knows almost nothing. It’s strange, because he has a poli Sci degree. But the most research I’ve seen him do on stream is read Twitter headlines.
I don’t care for Ethan either. I’m not interested in defending him. But Frogan has said WAY more despicable things than the Habibi thing. That’s not even relevant. Frogans charged language earned a temp ban on Twitch. The way she also called Ethan throughout the fallout was also despicable. But hey, it’s just Hasans community. He has no control over it, right?
Also, Hasan can’t handle the slightest criticism. After he botched that trans debate, a trans person in his chat mentioned some of the things he got wrong. What was Hasans response: he tells that person that he hopes they unalive themselves. Wow. Let’s keep simping for this wonderful individual.
Or that time he endorsed killing babies because after all, even babies of Israeli settlers are also occupiers. Barf.
We haven’t even scratched the surface.
Should I go on? Do you see the pattern now?
I don’t watch Ethan because I don’t like him or care for him. He’s got nothing interesting to say. But my god, do we have to simp for Hasan? Is this the best we got in the twitch political streaming world? Come on…
I have to admit that I’ve only been following Hasan for a little over a year.
I have not seen this pattern you speak of.
He makes conclusions based on political events that happen daily because that’s his job. What’s unique about Hasan though is that he’s willing to update his views over time as new evidence emerges, unlike the MSM.
I’ve seen Hasan do literal journalism on stream, like interviewing the imprisoned firefighters of California during this most recent fire disaster or attending protests and rallies in person, platforming leaders of those movements to amplify their message and cause. I’ve seen Hasan screen documentaries about unions and genocides. I’ve seen Hasan interview US senators, union leaders, and local government representatives across the country to get to the bottom of charged issues (like the Venezuelan apartment gangs story leading up to last year’s election). Hasan may be resistant to covering other social media sites, but he has good reason to stick to Xitter: Elon Musk and a growing fascist movement online are now using that platform to voice their bigoted views. Why run away from that to other forums if Hasan wanted to use those fascist talking points as examples to argue against? Might it be the case that Bluesky, having more strict content moderation, wouldn’t present the same opportunities to dispel myths and dunk on Nazis?
I used the Habibi thing as an example of how people, including Ethan, can take things out of context very quickly. And just because Ethan criticized Frogan for using Sabra as an almost slur doesn’t mean she didn’t have good reason to do so.
What other things do you take issue with that Frogan has said in the past? The soldiers with PTSD issue? How she condemns soldiers that choose to and want to fight the USA’s oftentimes unfounded wars? And her forgiveness to those soldiers that have remorse for fighting for the USA? If you don’t agree with this point, then you are still telling yourself the myth about American exceptionalism.
Do you take issue with how Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, when that’s what her therapist said she was? What about when Ethan took this event out of context and ran with it, assuming that Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, implying some sort of racialized hate? What about all of the despicable and vile shit that Ethan and Hila have said towards Frogan and others? What about those of the H3 community that have come out in direct opposition to Ethan and Hila for their completely unacceptable views towards Palestinians?
Oh, and are you talking about the 30 day ban Twitch placed on Frogan and others who led the Habibi/Sabra panel? That same panel that was allowed to happen at TwitchCon, which was vetted by Twitch ahead of time, and only after the fact Twitch decided to ban are receiving push back from online grifters? And why is this ban singled out, when as Frogan says, people on Twitch are banned for less time if they say pro genocide shit?
He botched the trans debate? Do you mean the debate Hasan had with Christian Walker, son of 2022 Georgia US Senate frontrunner and conservative Herschel Walker? The same Christian Walker that said that “college is a four year vacation” and who would glaze over any time Hasan would bring up facts/statistics or make logical arguments in favor of upholding the rights of trans people? The debate that basically proved that CW doesn’t really believe his anti-trans views, and only does so for clout? The debate where Hasan and his friend Felix spent hours up on hours to try to unpack and get to the bottom of CW’s beliefs, only for CW to be a contrarian and negate every single one of Hasan’s points? It was quite immature of CW to voice those opinions imo.
And are you referring to how Hasan banned someone after the debate for criticizing his trans views and comparing him to an actual bigot, Vaush? After Hasan demonstrated in real time what it meant to be a trans ally for hours upon hours? And how Hasan unbanned that same chatter after learning that they were trans and has since made amends? Would you take criticism well after being in a fight mode for hours on end? And would you unban someone after learning that your behaviors were unfounded? Would you go back and try to fix your mistakes, something that Hasan clearly does?
When did Hasan advocate for killing babies? It seems like you’ve fallen for the clipbait chimp shit from Ethan where he used a clip of Hasan laughing at Al Jazeera’s use of the phrase “offensive propaganda message” referring to the billboard showing Benjamin Netanyahu looking like Count Dracula and calling him out for killing babies. Hasan laughed because that Al Jazeera was putting this fact lightly and implying that this billboard would appear offensive and perhaps untrue or at the very least extrapolated to certain individuals who are partial to Israel. It’s beyond offensive that Israel killed primarily women and children in Gaza. It’s unacceptable. And it’s despicable that Israel spread the lie about Hamas decapitating infants. Netanyahu should go to jail for these acts. Hasan wasn’t advocating for the killing of babies. He was agreeing with Al Jazeera in that Israel’s actions were demonstrably evil.
You are so wrapped up in your own bubble reality that you are unwilling to suspend your ego and actually learn something for once. Jfc
I understand now. You seem out of the loop on a lot of stuff. You keep assuming you know the instances I’m talking about and jump right away to playing major defence. Why don’t you just ask which events I’m referring to instead of jumping the gun? I’m friendly, I promise.
I’ve been following Hasan’s content for about five years when he was just a guest nobody on other people’s twitch streams.
The babies deserve to die is when he joined that stream with that other idiot second thought. Plenty of clips floating around yt if you need to catch up. No, it was not clipped out of context. Always with the context.
I don’t care to nitpick each event because again, we’re getting lost in the forest. He wants to tell trans people to un alive, fine be edgy or whatever.
If there’s one critique I’d like everyone to take about Hasan is his superficial and shallow engagement on any topic. He can say just enough to sound intelligible without having to get into specifics. To someone not familiar with any given topic, he sounds clever and informed. At some point he will engage with a topic you too @[email protected] will be intimately familiar with and the curtain will fall. He has an extremely shallow and vapid take on any topic that it makes my eyes bleed. But he knows how to say just enough to sound smart. If that’s what you’re into and you find his content entertaining you do you. I’m not here to judge anyone for the twitch streamers they follow. I will also never understand the parasocial relationships people have with twitch streamers but whatever.
I won’t even go into the whole performative dance about class solidarity while living in a million dollar mansion in Beverly hills and driving a Porsche. I don’t care how many donation stream drives he does, it all comes off as disingenuous and icky.
Lastly, I would like to leave with some positive alternatives:
Gary Stevenson. Leftist content pushing for the working class. Multi millionaire, drives a Peugeot 107. I only mention this because he makes it a point why capital and dick riding materialism is poison.
This was me with Ethan Klein/H3H3 over the past ~14ish months. Their podcast content used to be lighthearted Internet drama with funny soundbytes, but now the dude is having a major crashout about Gaza after rotting his brain with Israeli state
propagandamedia coverage. He’s always been an out-of-touch rich asshole, but now he’s so far out of pocket it’s unbearable to watch.h3 is an incredibly interesting part of internet fandom/history. my phones about to die but if anyone is into it, i’ve “personally been there” since the very early days of their channel and think i have a decent perspective on the entire dynamic here, i might do a little actual, extensive write up in an edit here when i get home later.
i find h3 is fun to discuss as throughout his history on the internet he’s unique in of that he has entirely abandoned his audience multiple times. on the outside he’s a hypocrite (which is definitely true don’t get me wrong), but i think “inside” it’s a more machievallian and sinister sort of thing. frankly ethan and hila not only do alt-right dogwhistling better than anyone else; they invented a whole new technique. idk what to call it. but their snake-y nature lets them subvert typical premonitions and community norms time and time again and infiltrate way further into communities any other alt-righter would get nowhere near as close into the spheres of.
I think h3 is kind of a hidden nexus of fringe->main stream internet culture throughout the last like 15 years. Every wave Ethan has ridden has never been the main thing, it’s always right on the periphery of mainstream internet culture. That way he has cultivated a tiny amount of fans from every wave but never enough to get him into the public eye, and as a result everyone who knows him thinks they know someone “under ground” and he doesn’t shy away from that branding.
I don’t think it’s Machiavellian. I think it’s more just that Ethan has always held incoherent views (like everyone in the world) and his brand is to be unapologetically opinionated, so now that he’s dug his heels in on Gaza there’s no moving him until he has fully crashed and burned.
I mean he’s Jewish and his wife is from Israel, they have family members or at least know people personally who are in Israel and have their whole life, so the propaganda they’ve been fed is ingrained in their family identity.
It’s not an excuse, it’s sad to see, but as you pointed out he’s always declared himself a “capitalist” and has taken some pretty right wing positions. It’s just to say it’s not intentional, just a stupid dude who doesn’t work to hard to form opinions about stuff. I wouldn’t say this about every grifter, it’s just that H3 started out much more innocently and I don’t think they spent a decade keeping up a ruse like that I think it was genuine. I mean you really think he was doing Vape Nashe videos concocting how he was going to infiltrate internet culture to push right wing propaganda?
His wife is Israeli isnt she? I also thought they were pretty anti israel and she tried turning away from that life… I havent watched any of his videos since the “hugh mungus” era so I’ve no clue.
They recently had a kid, all Hasbara had to do was give them a couple mil contract to help their kids future in exchange for taking a side on an issue he never really cared about or brought up before October 7th. The ol’ “I have kids to take care of” spiritual bypass is a powerful excuse for going along with atrocities, 99% of westerners practice this every day.
Do we have evidence of H3 being funded this way? If so that’d be very curious
They support Israel’s right to exist and were disgusted by October 7th. Idk what the OC is talking about, but this platform is filled with Hamas/Russian propaganda - as much as people see the Russian tankies, they don’t see the connection, apparently.
An apartheid state does not have a right to exist. It must dismantle it’s systems of apartheid if it wishes to continue to exist.
You can’t be a Tankie and a supporter of Russia today. The USSR is gone. What are you even talking about? Do you even know what the words your using mean?
Their beliefs don’t make any sense no. But it’s still true that they hold them.
After much pondering of this mystery, I’ve found the likely explanation to be that they are less pro communism than they are anti the USA. And that their thinking is firmly rooted in cold war propaganda.
The West Bloc is the source of all evil, so anyone the USA supports is evil and anyone who oppose them is good. Russia must be justified in their invasion because it is opposed by the West.
he had a weird sense of humor and was universally loved. how did that even happen.
Turns out his free use of using the Nword and calling hasidic jews “dirty and nasty” meant he was actually just a bad guy. He just needed to find an outlet for hating brown people that people would support. He’s found it now.
This is so dumb. Ethan s always been anti apartheid and settlements, but the Hassan fans got into a tiffy because he called them out for their unhinged - and they really are unhinged takes
At this point Ethan’s final act will be picking a fight with reddit and losing.
I’m seeing this play out on the Hasan Piker side of things, and it’s outrageous but also completely hilarious that Ethan will not have a conversation with Hasan or Sam Seder about Gaza. The propaganda of the State of Israel, and plain old sunk cost fallacy has left him paralyzed as a liberal. I hope he doesn’t stay in that place for the rest of his days because it’s destructive, but some people have to bottom out before they can come up for air. I just hope that means all the hate and trouble both sides of the American political divide give him doesn’t lead to anything drastic.
There is nothing healthy about Hasans coverage of this. He is completely audience captured and will say the most unhinged things. Also, he lies non-stop and the fact he has a platform this big is really sad
Hasan is absolutely not audience captured. He sticks to his morals, and does not change his views to suit his audience. He whips them into shape instead, and has conversations/debates with those in his community that disagree with him in order to get them to see his side of things.
Hasan has barely covered this Ethan shit in the past year and a half! Instead, Hasan has been covering news that actually matters like the peril of the Palestinian peoples and Trump’s lunacy in public office. Ethan is the unhealthy one, as can be seen by all of the subscribers he’s lost over the last year and a half, and the responses his dwindled audience leaves on the H3H3 subreddit pushing to leave the Hasan drama alone.
Ethan is confused and is falling into a very toxic trap. He’s cozying up to a liberal content creator that has sexually harassed multiple women in the past, and is currently undergoing a suit for using revenge porn to get women to submit to him. These are not the kinds of people I would want a progressive advocate like Ethan to hang around.
Also, Hasan does not lie. He uses facts and statistics. He spends a lot of time combating the lies of Trump and his party, and of the Democrats because they are not so pure as people think.
Hasan only has a platform because of the Twitch subscribers that give him their money on a monthly basis. He does not grift to the right by accepting money from corporate donors or benefitting from the conservative-laced algorithms on modern day social media platforms. He is a leftist, and with those views in today’s age, almost everyone on the political spectrum is against him. It is not sad that he’s gotten this big. He saw 300k+ people watch his stream on the night of the 2024 US General Election. Hasan has built up his community over many years by being honest, staying true to his values, and not budging when it comes to external influences trying to silence him. I find Hasan quite inspirational in this way.
What’s sad is the state of the American government, the conservatives that are destroying it, the liberals that are allowing it to happen, the absolute void of American class consciousness, and yes the poor, pathetic attempts by Ethan Klein to try to smear Hasan when Ethan’s the one with skeletons in his closet.
Hasan doesn’t lie?? Really?? Look, it’s not intentional, like malicious lies but holy hell is the man uniformed on… Everything. Yet he speaks with so much confidence. He repeats so many Russia talking points when covering Ukraine (not to even mention that time he outright said Russia had a right to invade Ukraine). Or that time he called the jdam hitting a hospital in Gaza killing 500 people only for it to turn out to be a misfired rocket hitting a parking lot. But he’s so confident. All the time. Give me a fucking break. Not to mention his toxic community and fans (Frogan) saying the most despicable shit ever. They are not healthy people and it’s all a big performative joke.
There are hours of YouTube videos disproving Hasan lies. And no, before you jump to hit reply, it’s not “clipped out of context”. I’ve watched all the context.
Also, the guy doesn’t do debates any more because he’s a whiny loser who cries because he can’t spend five minutes to do the most basic of basic research before forming an opinion.
There are WAY better leftie content to follow on YT/Twitch. Start with Loner Box maybe. Anyone really.
Hasan has since said he was wrong on that point, and has since retracted said opinion and instead argued for the sovereignty of Ukraine as any other nation state, including Palestine. He reiterates this at least on a weekly basis to correct people like you that show up in the chat of his Twitch channel.
The fact that you’re using this example as a way to discredit Hasan however is demonstrative of how emotional you’re approaching this situation and how little you’ve done your own research to double check your views over time.
If you’re talking about the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion, then the jury’s still out on exactly what happened. Neither Israel, Hamas, nor the PIJ have provided visual evidence of what may have caused the hospital explosion. We won’t know what happened unless an independent organization like the UN can go there (and be safe to do their investigation, although Israel has broken this accord many times now). It also appears that the main missile people claim caused the hospital explosion has been debunked.
Have you asked Hasan recently what he thinks on the matter: to double check and/or correct your views? Do you acknowledge that early on in the Gaza War, things were messy, and what Hasan and other might have believed at one time could have changed as new evidence presents itself? Does your world view allow for progress, or are you a moral conservative that lives in some crystallisation of the past?
Because he has to protect himself and his community on an increasingly frequent basis due to him and his community being in the minority, and when it comes to people like you espousing caricatures and false perceptions of their opinions on the matter. Are you of a minority? Which one? Do you have your life exposed to the broader public on a daily basis, and are forced to stand your ground multiple times a day?
Are you referring to when Frogan and her Arabic friends did a tier list of who can say the word “Habibi” (Arabic for “my love”) or not? And if they qualify, they get a “Habibi” pass? A concept called racial passing where members of a certain race wished to be seen as belonging to a different race, and to obtain that race’s “pass”? And how they called the lowest tier “Sabra”, in relation to the Israeli hummus company?
Sabra isn’t the best hummus for starters. Some people refer to it as the McDonald’s of hummus, where there are many better alternatives. The name Sabra refers to the Sabra and Shatila massacre in which IDF-backed forces killed 1-4k Palestinians and Lebanese people’s. Many people and organizations have chosen to boycott Sabra because the company’s holding company directly supports the IDF’s military. I think it’s fair to call the lowest tier of person to receive a Habibi pass Sabra because said company in part funds a genocide. This is akin to calling that person a Nazi.
Have you watched Ethan’s content? Have you seen Ethan dismiss Hasan’s requests to talk about their issues in real time? Because all Ethan does is try to clip Hasan out of context so he can get people less involved in the context of the situation to agree with him and come to his side.
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Since when was it healthy for a person to have a disjointed conversation with someone like Ethan does with clips? Are we trying to normalize that behavior? What if you did that in real life? Would people treat you weirdly if you popped in and out of their life, quoting them incorrectly? Seems to me that would piss off a lot of people, and that surely shouldn’t be the way we conduct our society if we wish to make moral, epistemological, and metaphysical progress.
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Yeah Ethan’s main video has been debunked.
If you did, you’d already have all of the answer to my above questions. But you retain old news because you don’t keep us with Hasan’s content, and likely insulate yourself in Ethan’s echo chamber.
Every time Ethan has called Hasan out of asked Hasan to watch the video, Hasan has said that he’d be willing to do a live debate and get the facts straight. Ethan every time has been a coward and refused to talk to Hasan live. Oh, and Hasan does debate. All Ethan does is shrivel up in his bubble and hide.
No :)
You’re missing the forest for the trees. The cherry picked examples are not at all interesting or what I’m referring to.
It’s wonderful that he’s since retracted his position on Ukraine. It’s wonderful that he’s changed his tune on the hospital bombing. That’s not the issue.
The problem is the pattern.
He jumps to conclusions that fit his narrative and speaks with extreme confidence on things he knows almost nothing. It’s strange, because he has a poli Sci degree. But the most research I’ve seen him do on stream is read Twitter headlines.
I don’t care for Ethan either. I’m not interested in defending him. But Frogan has said WAY more despicable things than the Habibi thing. That’s not even relevant. Frogans charged language earned a temp ban on Twitch. The way she also called Ethan throughout the fallout was also despicable. But hey, it’s just Hasans community. He has no control over it, right?
Also, Hasan can’t handle the slightest criticism. After he botched that trans debate, a trans person in his chat mentioned some of the things he got wrong. What was Hasans response: he tells that person that he hopes they unalive themselves. Wow. Let’s keep simping for this wonderful individual.
Or that time he endorsed killing babies because after all, even babies of Israeli settlers are also occupiers. Barf.
We haven’t even scratched the surface.
Should I go on? Do you see the pattern now?
I don’t watch Ethan because I don’t like him or care for him. He’s got nothing interesting to say. But my god, do we have to simp for Hasan? Is this the best we got in the twitch political streaming world? Come on…
I have to admit that I’ve only been following Hasan for a little over a year.
I have not seen this pattern you speak of.
He makes conclusions based on political events that happen daily because that’s his job. What’s unique about Hasan though is that he’s willing to update his views over time as new evidence emerges, unlike the MSM.
I’ve seen Hasan do literal journalism on stream, like interviewing the imprisoned firefighters of California during this most recent fire disaster or attending protests and rallies in person, platforming leaders of those movements to amplify their message and cause. I’ve seen Hasan screen documentaries about unions and genocides. I’ve seen Hasan interview US senators, union leaders, and local government representatives across the country to get to the bottom of charged issues (like the Venezuelan apartment gangs story leading up to last year’s election). Hasan may be resistant to covering other social media sites, but he has good reason to stick to Xitter: Elon Musk and a growing fascist movement online are now using that platform to voice their bigoted views. Why run away from that to other forums if Hasan wanted to use those fascist talking points as examples to argue against? Might it be the case that Bluesky, having more strict content moderation, wouldn’t present the same opportunities to dispel myths and dunk on Nazis?
I used the Habibi thing as an example of how people, including Ethan, can take things out of context very quickly. And just because Ethan criticized Frogan for using Sabra as an almost slur doesn’t mean she didn’t have good reason to do so.
What other things do you take issue with that Frogan has said in the past? The soldiers with PTSD issue? How she condemns soldiers that choose to and want to fight the USA’s oftentimes unfounded wars? And her forgiveness to those soldiers that have remorse for fighting for the USA? If you don’t agree with this point, then you are still telling yourself the myth about American exceptionalism.
Do you take issue with how Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, when that’s what her therapist said she was? What about when Ethan took this event out of context and ran with it, assuming that Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, implying some sort of racialized hate? What about all of the despicable and vile shit that Ethan and Hila have said towards Frogan and others? What about those of the H3 community that have come out in direct opposition to Ethan and Hila for their completely unacceptable views towards Palestinians?
Oh, and are you talking about the 30 day ban Twitch placed on Frogan and others who led the Habibi/Sabra panel? That same panel that was allowed to happen at TwitchCon, which was vetted by Twitch ahead of time, and only after the fact Twitch decided to ban are receiving push back from online grifters? And why is this ban singled out, when as Frogan says, people on Twitch are banned for less time if they say pro genocide shit?
He botched the trans debate? Do you mean the debate Hasan had with Christian Walker, son of 2022 Georgia US Senate frontrunner and conservative Herschel Walker? The same Christian Walker that said that “college is a four year vacation” and who would glaze over any time Hasan would bring up facts/statistics or make logical arguments in favor of upholding the rights of trans people? The debate that basically proved that CW doesn’t really believe his anti-trans views, and only does so for clout? The debate where Hasan and his friend Felix spent hours up on hours to try to unpack and get to the bottom of CW’s beliefs, only for CW to be a contrarian and negate every single one of Hasan’s points? It was quite immature of CW to voice those opinions imo.
And are you referring to how Hasan banned someone after the debate for criticizing his trans views and comparing him to an actual bigot, Vaush? After Hasan demonstrated in real time what it meant to be a trans ally for hours upon hours? And how Hasan unbanned that same chatter after learning that they were trans and has since made amends? Would you take criticism well after being in a fight mode for hours on end? And would you unban someone after learning that your behaviors were unfounded? Would you go back and try to fix your mistakes, something that Hasan clearly does?
When did Hasan advocate for killing babies? It seems like you’ve fallen for the clipbait chimp shit from Ethan where he used a clip of Hasan laughing at Al Jazeera’s use of the phrase “offensive propaganda message” referring to the billboard showing Benjamin Netanyahu looking like Count Dracula and calling him out for killing babies. Hasan laughed because that Al Jazeera was putting this fact lightly and implying that this billboard would appear offensive and perhaps untrue or at the very least extrapolated to certain individuals who are partial to Israel. It’s beyond offensive that Israel killed primarily women and children in Gaza. It’s unacceptable. And it’s despicable that Israel spread the lie about Hamas decapitating infants. Netanyahu should go to jail for these acts. Hasan wasn’t advocating for the killing of babies. He was agreeing with Al Jazeera in that Israel’s actions were demonstrably evil.
You are so wrapped up in your own bubble reality that you are unwilling to suspend your ego and actually learn something for once. Jfc
I understand now. You seem out of the loop on a lot of stuff. You keep assuming you know the instances I’m talking about and jump right away to playing major defence. Why don’t you just ask which events I’m referring to instead of jumping the gun? I’m friendly, I promise.
I’ve been following Hasan’s content for about five years when he was just a guest nobody on other people’s twitch streams.
The babies deserve to die is when he joined that stream with that other idiot second thought. Plenty of clips floating around yt if you need to catch up. No, it was not clipped out of context. Always with the context.
I don’t care to nitpick each event because again, we’re getting lost in the forest. He wants to tell trans people to un alive, fine be edgy or whatever.
If there’s one critique I’d like everyone to take about Hasan is his superficial and shallow engagement on any topic. He can say just enough to sound intelligible without having to get into specifics. To someone not familiar with any given topic, he sounds clever and informed. At some point he will engage with a topic you too @[email protected] will be intimately familiar with and the curtain will fall. He has an extremely shallow and vapid take on any topic that it makes my eyes bleed. But he knows how to say just enough to sound smart. If that’s what you’re into and you find his content entertaining you do you. I’m not here to judge anyone for the twitch streamers they follow. I will also never understand the parasocial relationships people have with twitch streamers but whatever.
I won’t even go into the whole performative dance about class solidarity while living in a million dollar mansion in Beverly hills and driving a Porsche. I don’t care how many donation stream drives he does, it all comes off as disingenuous and icky.
Lastly, I would like to leave with some positive alternatives:
Harper O’Connor. Notable video: Yt Link
Gary Stevenson. Leftist content pushing for the working class. Multi millionaire, drives a Peugeot 107. I only mention this because he makes it a point why capital and dick riding materialism is poison.
Lonerbox. Very informed on history and me.