This is Trumps RussiaGate revenge tour, libs need to recognize that if they want to maneuver him
It transpires that Ukraine may not even have $500 billion in RE metals to give away (Inside China Business channel):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tILXLxMTmgA
It’s all just political theater as various capital factions compete in attempting to maintain Western Hegemony.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
just seen another angle where you can see trump is pushing him around 😭
You don’t have any cards right now.
We are not playing cards.
You are playing cards.
Libs are super mad but I have seen 2 bit western journalists disrespect Asian and African leaders this way a bunch of times and libs celebrate it as clapping back.
I personally think it’s great that everyone gets to see under the covers about what the empire thinks of you. Let’s be clear, the dems lost on purpose so the right could do this and get applause from its audience. And then in 4 years we may flip over and the theater will play a different movie for the lib fans. But it’s just theater at the end of the day.
Let’s be clear, the dems lost on purpose
This is a bad theory with nothing solid behind it. It sounds as silly to the people we’re trying to get on our side as saying “the coach of your favorite team was actually throwing the game in your last loss.”
Democrats lost because their ideology (and the money that shapes it) had taken the best actions off the table. They were absolutely trying to win, they were just (like everyone) trying to win on their own terms, and their own terms hamstrung them badly.
It’s really hard to think how this could’ve possibly gone worse. The whole thing started with Zelensky’s offhand suggestion of trading Ukrainian minerals for US aid which backfired catastrophically. Trump, ever the opportunist, seized on the proposal like a shark scenting blood. He initially framed it as Ukraine having to hand over minerals for future support, which he quickly turned into a demand for repayment of the $300 billion already spent, retroactively recasting aid as a loan.
By floating the minerals idea, Zelensky handed Trump a rhetorical weapon that let Trump box Ukraine into a lose-lose scenario of either surrendering resources or admitting to owing an unpayable debt. Zelensky got accustomed to Biden’s blank-check diplomacy, and completely misread the room here. Now, Trump has the perfect excuse to cut Ukraine loose. He will say that Zelensky lied about his willingness to make a deal, that he doesn’t appreciate US support, and that he was belligerent. The whole thing is an absolute debacle for Ukraine.
I don’t see the need for the song and dance when he can pay 10k to a Turkmenistan mercenary or Ukrainian nazi to just Luigi him
Honestly after the way Zelensky got humiliated here, he should ask Putin to let Ukraine join the Russian Federation. It would spite Trump, it’d be funny as fuck, and Ukraine would probably get better treatment from Russia than it would under the US vultures at thos point.
that would be the most hilarious outcome
I feel Zelensky is joining the other allies of the empire very soon 🤣
I think to the average dumbass American that exchange made Trump look amazing. Which sucks. He gets to look like the defender of America against meanie ukrainians who want all its guns while simultaneously sending israel everything it wants and continuing the genocide.
really? idk to me both vance and trump look like wimps, zelensky being allowed to yap like that and not instantly being shut down in place makes them look weak. ive seen people have more authority in daily life tbh.
You gotta remember your a lot more educated on this tho. Most Americans are gonna see like a few second clip that the media cuts to make zelensky look extra mean and theyll use the “your playing with WW3” line from Trump to make him look like this big peace defender. Then theyll say he kicked zelensky out of the WH for being rude, and the average american will eat it up.
Everyone is pissing on the floor and demanding you respect how strong their piss streams are
I get way too much second hand embarrassment, can anyone tell me what the the exchange was?
vance: “mr zelensky, youre being disrespectful!”
zelensky: “no u”
trump: “putin was right”
basically
thank you for the succinct summary!
Vance started with “bidens plan failed, we need diplomacy” Then zelensky said “What kind of diplomacy” and then it all went down hill with trump and vance trying to tell him that he has no cards left to play and they are trying to salvage what they can and he is just making stupid demands and excuses. zelensky said “Since the begining of the war we have been alone” and trump came in with " You havent been alone, We gave you through the stupid president 350 billion dollars. Your men are very brave but if we didn’t give you our millitasry equipment this war would have been over in 2 weeks"
yay ty :)
This is hilarious
Or, better yet, watch the full video instead : https://www.youtube.com/live/hzkCsIv365c
I don’t believe in the 25 infringements to the ceasefire(, but i don’t know his arguments, only that the OSCE recorded more attacks from the ukrainian side in their ~millions of infringements recorded), and there’s the risk, from the russian side, of giving them more time to build an army, so here’s an idea among others :
Ukraine is demilitarized, and promise not to join NATO(, promises are cheap). But NATO troops, and/or from the UN, will be tasked with protecting the border.
However, for Russia to accept losing Ukraine, referendums could/should be held in the border lands to ask tgeir population if they prefer to rejoin their old russian side or the new western side. And these referendums should be held again every ~5-10 years after that, with a total acceptance of russian medias in them. There would then be debates between pro&anti russian, and about the modalities(, e.g. the forms of autonomy, outside//inside the Russian federation).
And whatever the results of these referendums ends up being, the anti-russian part of Ukraine should be left with an access to the sea(, unlike Bolivia).
They don’t want to be forced to choose a side against their will, but also want to force others like Odessa to follow Lviv, even in the case of their inhabitants refusing the same NATO that bombed Serbia, Lybia, etc. Ukrainians are more russians than europeans, there’s the possibility of creating something else.
There’s also the expectations of Transnistria, which could become a part of Russia.It’s just some thoughts.
I highly doubt that Russia will accept a fake/temporary ceasefire, let alone one where Ukraine even has a once in a blue moon’s chance of remilitarizing itself. Russia only has a real interest in an actual ceasefire/disarmament, and Ukraine and the U.S. have almost nothing to offer Russia, anyway. At least not anything nearly as substantial.
This inflection point means a metric-shit ton. Russia has every prerogative and right to continue fighting until the end, leaving Ukraine a rump state. The most that the U.S./NATO could do is offer a relief from sanctions, but I think even a blind person can tell that the relief from sanctions would be a lie or an extreme exaggeration, and Russia has no reason to trust a word out of the U.S.'s, Ukraine’s or NATO’s mouths.
Russia should probably ask for investment or a very big “loan” with very good terms from EU/US, such that if they do anything against Russia they just get to keep all the money. Perhaps Russia could even demand some industry (like refineries or chips) to be sent from the EU before actually stoping anything, although as Europe is right now I doubt they can offer anything better than backstabing to Russia.
That would be the smartest thing to do, and I’m sure Russia has something like that in mind.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
One thing that pops out quite strongly to me is that when Trump tells Zelensky that they aren’t winning the war, Zelensky responds with
We are staying in our country. We are staying strong
Zelensky can’t even say in public that they are winning, or have a chance of winning. Only that the fighting will continue. He wants to continue bleeding Ukrainian lives no matter what. He has no rebuke to Trump’s statement that they are wasting life, or gambling with WW3. It’s a testament of how delusional you have to be that Trump is coming across as the reasonable voice of peace when dealing with you!
That’s what I thought seeing that, Trump should never be the one making a reasonable statement in any room.
LOL. We’re taking away the nickname “Big Balls” from Elon’s 19-yo DOGE buddy and giving it to Zelensky.
I accidentally responded to ur comment instead of the post oops
Is Macron secretly working for Putin? Because otherwise insisting on this meeting was the own goal of the century
