I’m just stating what fact is here. This was an easy question. I certainly hope people report the other calls for violence you mentioned as well. They definitely should.
But this isn’t even the interesting question. I think your question with the double standard is far more interesting. Or whether Jefferson was right. Or if OP could quote him if they were using apostrophes or a bit more clever wording.
I can post a news link to an article that is reporting on fascists violently absuing people.
That doesn’t get reported, or banned.
I cannot, for instance, say in a comment:
‘someone should kidnap and ‘’‘deport’’’ these ice agents’
or
‘someone should tie them into to a wheelchair and throw them into a jail cell’
… Those are much more direct and specifc calls for violence than uh, quoting an American founding father talking about generalized forceful resistance of tyranny… and even those comments got deleted.
It is blatantly obvious biased censorship:
Discussions of the State commiting literally illegal, unjust violence?
Totally allowed.
Discussions of justly resisting said unjust violence, with the force required to be actually effective?
Forbidden. Cannot even allude to it.
This is not complicated or even interesting.
This is an obviously blatant double standard, like … I can walk up to you and punch you in the face, and if you take a swing back at me, actually, you doing that is assault and now you go to jail.
Maybe this is lost on non Americans:
The fascist goons currently running around being violent thugs are routinely breaking all kinds of fucking pre existing laws, all the way up and down their chain of command.
Literally thousands, tens of thousands of times a day.
I know. I mean you’re pretty spot on with your first assessment. Reporting on violence is okay, calling for violence isn’t. There is a difference between the two. The first is allowed per the rules, the second is forbidden.
And yes, this is some form of censorship. It’s outlawed in most jurisdictions, including from the First Amendment in the US. I believe they call that “Imminent lawless action”. And there’s a bit more to it.
But hey. Again, I’m just stating how it is. If you want to argue with me on a personal level about violence… I also think self-defense is okay. I’m kind of opposed to violence, but it might be necessary in some cases. I just don’t understand why you’d like to use a Jefferson quote, when the MAGA people tainted it by printing it on their t-shirts. If I were opposed to the fascists, I’d pick a quote that isn’t used by them as well.
Ok, lets say theres a news story about people calling for violent resistance against fascists.
Can that be posted?
Can commenters make their own statements of support for this, in that thread?
This is basic logic, these rules do not make any damned sense, they are obviously contradictory when applied in the manner you are suggesting.
Also uh no, no .world does not actually have any specific rule that deliniates the distinction you’ve invented about violence being ok in news posts but not in comments.
Find me those rules.
Also… if? IF you were opposed to fascists?
Implying this is a stance that requires deliberation and contemplation?
Pretend you’re a brown skinned American citizen who just got fucking illegally kidnapped on fabricated charges and deported to a foreign death prison complex for the rest of your life, which will probably be quite short.
This has already fucking happened.
Does this remind you of any historical events…
… Hendrik, from an obviously German lemmy instance?
Anything involving gas chambers, ovens, work camps?
Dude, calm down a bit, we’re not enemies. I’m on your side, we just talk a bit differently and probably live far away from each other. I’d send you a big stick or even help you cudgel the fascists if I were in the States. And yes, as a German I know how nazis look like and I can recognize them easily.
lets say theres a news story about people calling for violent resistance against fascists. Can that be posted?
I think yes.
Can commenters make their own statements of support for this, in that thread?
I think you’re trying to shoehorn something in here. It’s complicated. Is this “support” a call to do something? Is it intended to motivate people to join in as well and it includes violence? Then no. They cannot do that. Otherwise yes (unless it contradicts another rule.)
It’s the first one: “[…] We do not tolerate serious threats or calls for violence.”
Cool.
So anyway:
Also uh no, no .world does not actually have any specific rule that deliniates the distinction you’ve invented about violence being ok in news posts but not in comments.
You’re not proficient enough in English to understand what I’m saying.
You’ve suggested I buy a fascist shirt, while at the same time saying you would help me hit American fascists with a cudgel, when they all have body armor, military assault rifles, and armored personnel carriers.
… Despite the fact that I was not even the person who said the tree of liberty quote at all, but you keep acting like I did.
You’ve repeatedly insulted me multiple times by way of your poor grasp of English, I am bailing out of this conversation before I am as rude to you as you have been to me.
Sure, I did not intend to insult you. The t-shirt was a reference to my earlier comment where I intended to say: The quote which started the discussion isn’t even anti fascist, but sadly also in use by the fascists. That was to contextualize what we’re talking about, and only loosely connected to your statements.
You really can’t expect me to answer to like 5 different questions and not make one omission. I expected you to know the difference between “call for” and “report on”. But I respect your wish to bail out. I wish you the best. Sincerely. And my solidarity is with you. I wish there was more I could do. A free America is important to all of us.
Dude, Jefferson literally advocated for violence. They’re not wrong in the slightest with that.
He said people dying in a violent battle (in pursuit of something) is the “natural manure”. And killing lots of people is pretty much peak violence.
Got it, so we’re allowed to post news articles on .world discussing facsists advocating for and directly enacting brutal violence… at a grand scale…
But unspecified, indirect references to the concept of violent resistance, self-defense, on a similar scale… nah, users can’t do that.
You do not see a hypocrisy here?
A blatant and glaring double standard?
I’m just stating what fact is here. This was an easy question. I certainly hope people report the other calls for violence you mentioned as well. They definitely should.
But this isn’t even the interesting question. I think your question with the double standard is far more interesting. Or whether Jefferson was right. Or if OP could quote him if they were using apostrophes or a bit more clever wording.
… What?
I can post a news link to an article that is reporting on fascists violently absuing people.
That doesn’t get reported, or banned.
I cannot, for instance, say in a comment:
‘someone should kidnap and ‘’‘deport’’’ these ice agents’
or
‘someone should tie them into to a wheelchair and throw them into a jail cell’
… Those are much more direct and specifc calls for violence than uh, quoting an American founding father talking about generalized forceful resistance of tyranny… and even those comments got deleted.
It is blatantly obvious biased censorship:
Discussions of the State commiting literally illegal, unjust violence?
Totally allowed.
Discussions of justly resisting said unjust violence, with the force required to be actually effective?
Forbidden. Cannot even allude to it.
This is not complicated or even interesting.
This is an obviously blatant double standard, like … I can walk up to you and punch you in the face, and if you take a swing back at me, actually, you doing that is assault and now you go to jail.
Maybe this is lost on non Americans:
The fascist goons currently running around being violent thugs are routinely breaking all kinds of fucking pre existing laws, all the way up and down their chain of command.
Literally thousands, tens of thousands of times a day.
I know. I mean you’re pretty spot on with your first assessment. Reporting on violence is okay, calling for violence isn’t. There is a difference between the two. The first is allowed per the rules, the second is forbidden.
And yes, this is some form of censorship. It’s outlawed in most jurisdictions, including from the First Amendment in the US. I believe they call that “Imminent lawless action”. And there’s a bit more to it.
But hey. Again, I’m just stating how it is. If you want to argue with me on a personal level about violence… I also think self-defense is okay. I’m kind of opposed to violence, but it might be necessary in some cases. I just don’t understand why you’d like to use a Jefferson quote, when the MAGA people tainted it by printing it on their t-shirts. If I were opposed to the fascists, I’d pick a quote that isn’t used by them as well.
Ok, lets say theres a news story about people calling for violent resistance against fascists.
Can that be posted?
Can commenters make their own statements of support for this, in that thread?
This is basic logic, these rules do not make any damned sense, they are obviously contradictory when applied in the manner you are suggesting.
Also uh no, no .world does not actually have any specific rule that deliniates the distinction you’ve invented about violence being ok in news posts but not in comments.
Find me those rules.
Also… if? IF you were opposed to fascists?
Implying this is a stance that requires deliberation and contemplation?
Pretend you’re a brown skinned American citizen who just got fucking illegally kidnapped on fabricated charges and deported to a foreign death prison complex for the rest of your life, which will probably be quite short.
This has already fucking happened.
Does this remind you of any historical events…
… Hendrik, from an obviously German lemmy instance?
Anything involving gas chambers, ovens, work camps?
Anything ringing a fucking bell?
Dude, calm down a bit, we’re not enemies. I’m on your side, we just talk a bit differently and probably live far away from each other. I’d send you a big stick or even help you cudgel the fascists if I were in the States. And yes, as a German I know how nazis look like and I can recognize them easily.
Here are the rules: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-people-or-groups
It’s the first one: “[…] We do not tolerate serious threats or calls for violence.”
Concerning your first question:
I think yes.
I think you’re trying to shoehorn something in here. It’s complicated. Is this “support” a call to do something? Is it intended to motivate people to join in as well and it includes violence? Then no. They cannot do that. Otherwise yes (unless it contradicts another rule.)
Btw, here’s
yourMAGA shirt. I wouldn’t wear it: https://www.amazon.com/Tree-Liberty-Thomas-Jefferson-T-Shirt/dp/B094H1VR7ZCool.
So anyway:
You’re not proficient enough in English to understand what I’m saying.
You’ve suggested I buy a fascist shirt, while at the same time saying you would help me hit American fascists with a cudgel, when they all have body armor, military assault rifles, and armored personnel carriers.
… Despite the fact that I was not even the person who said the tree of liberty quote at all, but you keep acting like I did.
You’ve repeatedly insulted me multiple times by way of your poor grasp of English, I am bailing out of this conversation before I am as rude to you as you have been to me.
Sure, I did not intend to insult you. The t-shirt was a reference to my earlier comment where I intended to say: The quote which started the discussion isn’t even anti fascist, but sadly also in use by the fascists. That was to contextualize what we’re talking about, and only loosely connected to your statements.
You really can’t expect me to answer to like 5 different questions and not make one omission. I expected you to know the difference between “call for” and “report on”. But I respect your wish to bail out. I wish you the best. Sincerely. And my solidarity is with you. I wish there was more I could do. A free America is important to all of us.
The libs are libbing again