It’s why there is also the category of ultra processed. That’s where they start to add fat, sugar, salt, dye and preservatives. That’s where things get unhealthy.
Yes. People have conflated the term “processed food” with the higher end processing that some foods get, more correctly called ultra processed foods.
Processing food is transforming it from one state to another. Bread is a processed food because you’ve milled the wheat. Acme® Fued lewps™ are ultra processed because the corn was dissolved in acid, reconstituted into a fiberless slurry, fortified with enough vitamins to be legally referred to as nutrition, fortified with enough sugar, salt and fats to make your body demand you eat more, then bulked with milk protein concentrates to make you feel like you’re eating something substantial and also qualify as a dairy product for tax purposes.
The conversation would often be much clearer if people didn’t use the term for “almost all food” when thet mean the more chemistry oriented type of food.
Even within the category of ultra processed foods there are items that are perfectly benign. Breakfast cereals can be perfectly healthy, but they’re necessarily ultra processed since you need at least minimal shelf stability.
Processing isn’t intrinsically bad, it’s just that the worst foods are ultra processed because that’s how they did the things that make them bad, and every transformation destroys some portion of the food, and eventually you need to start adding things back in to make it keep being food, or at least appearing to be food.
Exactly. Take my preferred snack for example, a bag of oven baked pork rinds. 37G protein, 12g fat, 0 carbs. (Ok theres an assload of salt) about 250 cals. No artificial colors, flavours or preservatives… is that “processed”?
My point was more along the lines that a “processed” formed chicken breast pattie isnt somehow worse for you than a big slab of crunchy fatty pork belly because it went through a machine. Its possible to make good decisions involving processed food and terrible whole foods decisions too… delicious decadent “now I want pork belly” decisions. I do wonder how many of these studies control for calorie intake, quality of nutrition, etc.
In my honest opinion, processed things are things that are, through scientific methods, made to be addictive. Like Pringles having the perfect crunch or different chemical compounds of Red Bull (color spot on the bottom). I don’t count cured meat as processed, but I have a hard time calling a pound of deli ham anything but processed.
See you just gave me the perfect example. Pringles.
Compare the macros on a serve of Pringles (definitely an ultra-processed food. I googled the ingredients - Dehydrated potato, vegetable oils, wheat starch (gluten), rice flour, emulsifier (471), maltodextrin, salt, acidity regulator (330).) and a serve of Kettle Chips (Potatoes, sunflower oil, sea salt) the macros are pretty damn close to the same. One is ultra-processed, one is at least processed and I imagine if you thinly sliced a potato and fried it at home and salted them you would get a similar product with similar nutrition to the Kettle chips but would it still be considered processed?
Admittedly there is an argument to be made about micronutrients and phytochemicals that would give the kettles and home mades a slight edge on any “which is healthier” discussion, but the honest answer to “Which of these foods should you sit down and demolish a salad bowl full of?” is NONE because processed or not, its a highly paletable bowl of calorie dense food thats incredibly easy to over consume.
The problem isnt the processing, the problem is that making a giant pile of home made chips is hard and time consuming so you probably wont and a bag of Kettles is a $3 addition to my trolley.
The problem isnt the processing, the problem is that making a giant pile of home made chips is hard and time consuming so you probably wont
This is it exactly! Look at noodles! I consider them processed food, and since I got a noodle machine (non-electric) I don’t eat them as often as I used to.
Even if you got the flour at home, it’s still very time consuming. you would think twice if you just throw some potatoes into boiling water or if you risk making your kitchen dirty while hand-making noodles.
Isn’t “Processed” a really open term? Like, if I bake some veggies in my oven they’re technically processed?
Not to mention that all the vegetables we eat have been carefully bred by humans, which is a process unrelated to nature.
It’s why there is also the category of ultra processed. That’s where they start to add fat, sugar, salt, dye and preservatives. That’s where things get unhealthy.
Yes. People have conflated the term “processed food” with the higher end processing that some foods get, more correctly called ultra processed foods.
Processing food is transforming it from one state to another. Bread is a processed food because you’ve milled the wheat. Acme® Fued lewps™ are ultra processed because the corn was dissolved in acid, reconstituted into a fiberless slurry, fortified with enough vitamins to be legally referred to as nutrition, fortified with enough sugar, salt and fats to make your body demand you eat more, then bulked with milk protein concentrates to make you feel like you’re eating something substantial and also qualify as a dairy product for tax purposes.
The conversation would often be much clearer if people didn’t use the term for “almost all food” when thet mean the more chemistry oriented type of food.
Even within the category of ultra processed foods there are items that are perfectly benign. Breakfast cereals can be perfectly healthy, but they’re necessarily ultra processed since you need at least minimal shelf stability.
Processing isn’t intrinsically bad, it’s just that the worst foods are ultra processed because that’s how they did the things that make them bad, and every transformation destroys some portion of the food, and eventually you need to start adding things back in to make it keep being food, or at least appearing to be food.
Exactly. Take my preferred snack for example, a bag of oven baked pork rinds. 37G protein, 12g fat, 0 carbs. (Ok theres an assload of salt) about 250 cals. No artificial colors, flavours or preservatives… is that “processed”?
My point was more along the lines that a “processed” formed chicken breast pattie isnt somehow worse for you than a big slab of crunchy fatty pork belly because it went through a machine. Its possible to make good decisions involving processed food and terrible whole foods decisions too… delicious decadent “now I want pork belly” decisions. I do wonder how many of these studies control for calorie intake, quality of nutrition, etc.
In my honest opinion, processed things are things that are, through scientific methods, made to be addictive. Like Pringles having the perfect crunch or different chemical compounds of Red Bull (color spot on the bottom). I don’t count cured meat as processed, but I have a hard time calling a pound of deli ham anything but processed.
See you just gave me the perfect example. Pringles.
Compare the macros on a serve of Pringles (definitely an ultra-processed food. I googled the ingredients - Dehydrated potato, vegetable oils, wheat starch (gluten), rice flour, emulsifier (471), maltodextrin, salt, acidity regulator (330).) and a serve of Kettle Chips (Potatoes, sunflower oil, sea salt) the macros are pretty damn close to the same. One is ultra-processed, one is at least processed and I imagine if you thinly sliced a potato and fried it at home and salted them you would get a similar product with similar nutrition to the Kettle chips but would it still be considered processed?
Admittedly there is an argument to be made about micronutrients and phytochemicals that would give the kettles and home mades a slight edge on any “which is healthier” discussion, but the honest answer to “Which of these foods should you sit down and demolish a salad bowl full of?” is NONE because processed or not, its a highly paletable bowl of calorie dense food thats incredibly easy to over consume.
The problem isnt the processing, the problem is that making a giant pile of home made chips is hard and time consuming so you probably wont and a bag of Kettles is a $3 addition to my trolley.
This is it exactly! Look at noodles! I consider them processed food, and since I got a noodle machine (non-electric) I don’t eat them as often as I used to.
Even if you got the flour at home, it’s still very time consuming. you would think twice if you just throw some potatoes into boiling water or if you risk making your kitchen dirty while hand-making noodles.
If you wash the dirt of the veggies they are technically processed