Honestly? They’re fully right.
Russia has benefitted massively from the sanctions who only harmed the countries putting them on Russia.
That’s why the sanctions should of course be kept indefinitely.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
And the sanctions make the numbers bigger. Russia needs to spend more to get the same, which means they’re getting less for the same amount of money, sweat, genius and hopes.
And that’s a win.
No it’s not. It’s cut from the opposite end of Russian society to the optimal one.
Russian “elite” is very useful for all of the world’s other elites. It’s spending money on things not a thief never would. It’s giving politicians who want to be mafia bosses sort of a starting capital, or an edge they need. It’s playing them against each other.
These sanctions are designed to impede Russia at wars, but preserve its “elite”, so that the money stream wouldn’t dry out.
The proper sanctions would be to catch every Russian official’s kids currently in European countries and in USA, and start sending fingers by mail to their parents. Fear not, they most likely all have a few (or more) murders on their non-existent conscience, so they are fair game. Oh, FFS, some of those officials are in “hostile” countries too. Some of Putin’s children are. They have different second names, but identifying them is a rookie job.
That’s if you want to stop the war and destroy the criminal regime.
Sanctions are directed against Russia, but not against the Russian regime.
tankies celebrating an oligarchy’s economy
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That’s a new one. What does that even mean?
PieFed displays a red warning triangle next to his name, that usually means he is a troll.
Not worth engaging
Any chance piefed works with Lemmy clients, or has their own in the works? Would rather move away from software maintained by people kissing the ring of autocrats, but don’t want to be stuck with web only.
kbin and mbin are good alternatives developed by folks who did not want to do business with tankies.
Do they have mobile clients?
PieFed is better
It’s Antiyanks.
Why hasn’t lemmy cafe IP banned him yet?
Blocking a single IP is incredibly ineffective
They’d probably just use a proxy/vpn to bypass it. Also iirc you can unplug your router and reconnect for a new IP.
What a pathetic person. Dunno who he thinks he is, on his little toy horse staring down on us all - but definitely salty as fuck lmao.
With IPv6 you can basically have infinite IPs (via SLAAC and the privacy extensions)
IP banning is very ineffective
I regularly call out and report them whenever I see them, and it’s honestly really funny how bent out of shape it makes them. They genuinely seem to believe yelling at strangers on a tiny social media platform is somehow beneficial to Palestinians, instead of doing anything more productive with their time like actually going out and protesting or donating to their causes.
i recommend just insta-blocking whenever you see an alt. Don’t even give any recognition.
Hell if I know, but I was considering bringing it up to their admin. Though I’m sure they’ll just switch to a different instance with open signups.
The world would be a much better place if that were true, particularly for the Russian people.
aren’t robux still worth more than rubles?
Ah yes, the “strong” Russian economy lol
Just a reminder to everyone that doesn’t get the context, Canada has a bigger economy than Russia.
Their opinion is circling the drain in the same way the russian economy is.
Even if you tried you could not convince me those are not russian trolls spreading propaganda for pay.
They could be down the chain and have just been brainwashed by the kremlin bots too. Working away for free.
But yeah. No election? Few mArX-LeNiN bots around.
BTW what’s next, nazi-democracy?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started promoting “Nazi-democracy”
Imagine if you will. Dugin, the main thought leader at Kremlin, came up with The Fourth Political Theory.
Liberalism, Communism, Fascism: The Best Hits edition.
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Found one!
Nah, not sure if they’re a tankie. Just a crazy
Have to be crazy to be tankie, doesn’t have to be tankie to be crazy.
Checks out!
tbh I’m not sure if all extremists are crazy, but instead misguided or too deep in a cult mentality to get themselves out of it.
Like there’s a logic in saying there are evil groups of people in the world, but not so much the ‘therefore we murder everyone’ part.
So really everyone should be sanctioning Russia, for their own good.
Of course this person is full of shit, but there’s a grain of truth in what they’re saying since Russia didn’t suffer from the sanctions nearly as much as expected. I don’t mean to legitimize tankie talking points, but sanctions against have been a failure as far according to their stated goals and will likely continue to be if I’m not grossly misunderstanding the situation.
Sanctions arent a magical stop when not everyone follows them, Russia still trades with China, India and some others. Europe is still buying their gas. This has avoided a worst-case scenario for them but their limited buyers know this and can get more from Russia for cheaper. Gazprom stock is down 20% over 5y. The point isnt to kill them just weaken. Sanctions are a large reason behind Russian inflation which as of March 2025 was at 10.3% yoy. Theyre why protests still happen even in Moscow despite the fear. Hell a couple years ago now their main finance minister tried to resign because of the sanctions and war effects on the long-term economic outlook in Russia.
Usually high inflation is a driver of domestic upset at those in power. Biden had a couple months around 9% despite a yoy of around 5% and he got skewered for it. Sanctions have also allowed the capture and sale of some oligarch assets to help fund Ukraines defense. Economic collapse driven by sanctions is not immediate but a long-term effect, there are months-years of signs such as inflation before it comes crashing down.
Usually high inflation is a driver of domestic upset at those in power.
“Domestic upset” - Russia is a prison society. Those upset think it’s the elite’s right to humiliate them. Or are afraid. Or can’t sacrifice their life and their relatives’, because they know most people won’t.
And now the poorest and the dumbest men have either died or got war experience.
Anyway, all I personally want is for oil and gas money stream to dry out completely. That will make all of the world’s politics healthier. Despite Russian economy stagnating for many years, you don’t realize how much harm that money has done to the world in those years.
It’s normal for a war economy to “grow”. When a government is buying all the tanks, guns and bullets it can, that’s absolutely amazing for the economy as a whole. Government spending increases generally drive growth (never mind that this just drives debt up and can send your country into a spiral)
Inflation, usually as a result from the former, also makes numbers go up. And if you
intentionally undercountaccidentally underestimate inflation, it goes up even more! You can always increase interest to keep up (if you dont have massive debt from the former).You reduce exports of cheap raw materials and start using them yourself to make expensive war materials that look great on your books (but which don’t actually make your country any money, unlike the raw materials).
Getting more soldiers is great for employment numbers, and industry will also need more people. Governments competing with industry drives wages up (and government reserves down).
War generally requires new infrastructure, which is great for countries that have neglected it for decades (unfortunately getting bombed tends to make said improvements rather short term, and only to places nobody wants to go).
So as long as you’re not collapsing under debt (and if you can steal from private citizens, you can keep going for a bit) and your civilian industry hasn’t quite collapsed yet (Russians excel at suffering) and you haven’t undergone population collapse (15 and 70 make for great soldiers, right?) your economy looks great to anyone not looking too closely.
All of your points are great, but if you looked beyond monetary value, many industries that used to produce things that increase the welfare of your citizens are now used to wage war.
A weird but well known example in history was sewing machine companies that switched to producing automatic weapons in times of war. Their profits might have increased, but the people couldn’t buy new sewing machines. So while on paper the country’s GDP might be bigger, more people are wearing rags because they can’t access better clothes, making them de facto poorer.
All of your points are great, but if you looked beyond monetary value, many industries that used to produce things that increase the welfare of your citizens are now used to wage war.
Exactly! that’s the entire point. On page 2 of the summary it looks great on paper, but if you actually start looking at the reports, you’re going to see it’s actually getting worse and worse.
I love your example, and it’s a great way to show the difference between spending and investing. Buying a an expensive gun is spending money looks good right now but it doesn’t DO anything. Buying a cheap sewing machine is investing, maybe not much, but over time you’ll add value to the entire economy.
Wow, finally got past the bot and found a human. Unless they’ve started telling the bots to add in random typos to throw us off the scent.
100k USD rocket is the same thing a studio apartment in mid sized city?
I am sure Ivan loves the rocket more too, gives him pride. Fuck having a place to live
I can’t tell if they call them “rulers” over their specific disdain for Europe or if they call them “rulers” because that’s what they think a leader is supposed to be.
