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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
Friend of mine witnessed some bleak shit, now you get to see it too:
Is that supposed to be an advertisement in favor of AI? (As opposed to stealth satire?) Seeing it makes me want to get off my computer and touch grass.
Double quick ssc sneer, why is he platforming a groyper, without mentioning it is a groyper, does he know what groypers are. Why is he acting like this is a honest question and not an attempt to create hierarchies and unpersons? Why are people confusing remembering being conscious with remembering things at all? Why are people confusing consciousness with agency? Why do I hear the “empathy removal training center” warning sound again. And the most personal question. People remember not being conscious? But yes, wtf Scott, how do you even find these groypers?
Anybody have the current count on platforming neonazis vs platforming sneerclubbers?
God this is so fucking stupid. Aren’t these people supposed to be at least minimally smart in some way, like knowing about biases and things? And here they are trying to suss out the deep workings of conscious experience from the just-so narratives people have attached to their memories of memories of memories. Pathetic.
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I don’t recall having some sort of a wow experience like “damn, I’m a conscious human being” now ever, which kind of makes me question if I’m conscious even now.
I’m also in the same boat. But also, I think that we can only experience consciousness with our whole being, and there’s not much “compute” and bandwidth left even amongst fully grown adults - to verify if even the baseline “adult” consciousness that we’re experiencing is the baseline “real and complete adult state of consciousness” that everyone is definitely experiencing. And so we’re left to ponder some subset of the thing we want to understand and control fully.
I mean, the “consciousness” that you and I experience, as adults, are almost certainly reduced or different compared to what, say, Scott experiences daily. Neither you nor I (nor most people) can write like Scott can, but Scott bangs out riveting and beautiful pieces of writing effortlessly at least once a week and wonders why everyone else can’t.
Jesus Christ mate
Yeah well done commenters you failed to notice the context and deeper reason this was discussed, justifying biodieseling people. Hell, some would volunteer looking at the last bit.
(Re his output, a Conservative Jewish person (can look up her post, it is on reddit sneerclub) reviewed unsong a bit and mentioned she thought it was the work of several authors. Not sure if this was honest or some Jewish reference which I didnt get btw. But if honest would be an interesting bit of additional lore, him using ghostwriters (would also explain the lower quality (from what I have seen) of a lot his posts after he went full time).
The multiple authors thing is certainly a joke, it’s a reference to the (widely accepted among scholars) theory that the Torah was compiled from multiple sources with different authors.
that third quote is so fucking immensely telling, holy fuck
and while I want to be very cautious with this (ito not putting it out as a recommendation (given these fools’ heads are already demonstrably not okay)), imagine if any of these dipshits took a mild dose of psychedelics and actually experienced some altered states of consciousness for a while
such a stupendously short-sighted set of ideas, made even more stunning by the notion that probably 2 in 3 of these fuckers consider themselves “broad minded”
I mean, the “consciousness” that you and I experience, as adults, are almost certainly reduced or different compared to what, say, Scott experiences daily.
have you tried adderall
This is what happens when you watch Rosencrantz and Guildenstern as a STEM major with no actual curiosity.
Whatever became of the moment when one first knew about death? There must have been one. A moment. In childhood. When it first occured to you that you don’t go on forever. Must have been shattering. Stamped into one’s memory. And yet, I can’t remember it. It never occured to me at all. We must be born with an intuition of mortality. Before we know the word for it. Before we know that there are words. Out we come, bloodied and squawling, with the knowledge that for all the points of the compass, theres only one direction. And time is its only measure.
SSC attracts new kinds of witches.
Weird thought the idea of Rationalism was to draw people towards consensus reality.
Modern academia is a shambling corpse, its husk long hollowed out by the woke mind virus, and scientific consensus is also cringe because it’s mean to me for being an IQ and genetics obsessed weirdo. Therefore you should prioritize alternative takes, preferably by longwinded laymen from the ingroup or maybe contrarian specialists, the more cancelled the bett-- wait, wait, no, not like that!
So that article about AI cheating we saw a few weeks back is still doing the rounds. I had missed this Rationalist W in my first read:
I then fed a chunk of text from the Book of Genesis into ZeroGPT and it came back as 93.33 percent AI-generated.
So apparently we’re pretty close to instantiating the voice of God through the hallucination machine, which I’m sure is pretty neat.
Good username/post combo.
Tired: Ned Ludd
Wired: Joe Butlerian
Found a Bluesky thread you might be interested in:
On a Sci Fi authors’ panel at Comicon today, every writer asked about AI (as in LLM / algorithmic modern gen AI) gave it a kicking, drawing a spontaneous round of applause.
A few years ago, I don’t think that would have happened. People would have said “it’s an interesting tool”, or something.
Bearing in mind these are exactly the people who would be expected to engage with the idea, I think the tech turds have massively underestimated the propaganda faux pas they made by stealing writers’ hard work and then being cunts about it.
Tying this to a previous post of mine, I’m expecting their open and public disdain for gen-AI to end up bleeding into their writing. The obvious route would be AI systems/characters exhibiting the hallmarks of LLMs - hallucinations/confabulations, “AI slop” output, easily bypassable safeguards, that sort of thing.
I watched most of the first season of Silicon Valley with a friend who recommended it to me. I liked it. Every single character with a speaking role so far (with the possible exception of an exotic dancer and a graffiti artist) deserves death by nuclear weaponry. SFBA delenda est.
It looks like twitter was down for 2.5h. [hn] Previously there was a fire in twitter server farm which caused some availability issues. Gee i wonder how well these gas turbines are serviced
New piece from Tante: On “Vibe Coding” - take a wild guess what its about.
My guess: Remotely hacking sex toys so they run doom?
At first glance those narratives feel great, who doesn’t like “democratization”, “empowerment”
Same script as the naive ‘leftwing’ case for cryptocurrency/blockchain tech.
Rick Rubin collaborated with Anthropic to bring us this quality piece of cringe.
Oh good, a web design crime that never ends.
Of course it’s a React, Tailwind piece of shit hosted on Vercel.
Vercel? What’s the ver stand for? (jk)
Oof that’s the good stuff. Chuds with overly self-inflated egos co-opting eastern philosophy for tech shit is pretty well known around these parts. It’s refreshing to see it from a slightly different white guy.
Also, my usual muckraking bore unexpected fruit:
I’m gonna believe it. The Candace Owens part is disputed, and I daresay debunked, though.
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From @BootsRiley:
Now is as good a time as any to tell people that Rick Rubin is a behind-the-scenes rightwinger who tries to recruit music industry folks to Q-anon type stuff and is who (according to Kanye) convinced Kanye to meet Candace Owens and endorse Trump.
He just looks like a hippie.
i recently stumbled upon his “tetragrammaton” podcast on youtube, listening to the episode with soad’s daron malakian, which was actually very interesting.
then i had a look at what other interviews were on offer. among popular actors and musicians there are such luminaries as: palmer luckey, peter thiel, mark mcafee (apparrently some raw milk tycoon), jay bhattacharya (covid-19 hoaxer type guy i guess), mr eggman himself, etc etc
on the podcast rubin comes off as this cool, open-minded hippie person, “just asking questions” and “having a conversation” with interesting people. so i guess he’s just sort of following the rogan formula. except i think rubin has a bit more brain matter left than the mma/dmt guy. so i can’t help but wonder if this podcast is a bit more of a targeted effort at influencing new age people just coming across it like i did.
i was actually quite surprised at this, so i also did a bit of searching, and apart from the post you linked i also came across nothing else. but his work speaks for itself i guess.
That’s a crazy lineup. I love how you can just say eggman/egghead on awful systems and I think everyone will know the person in question.
i’m gonna need a hint here, boss. Here’s my guesses:
my guesses
- Jim Carrey (eggman from live action sonic)
- DJT (campaigned on price of eggs)
- m12n (looks like an egg)
- that one LWer that posts really long anti-trans screeds (probably not this person but it’s tempting to label them as an egg)
any of these except the last one wouldn’t be an implausible guest of this podcast, honestly. (i was talking about andreessen)
Another big oof. Hippie ass white guy saying that we should just JAQ off and give other problematic white guys a chance. Sounds about white!
Also his book is co/ghost written by Neil Strauss, the game/PUA manual guy.
Seeing a lot of talk about OpenAI acquiring a company with Jony Ive and he’s supposedly going to design them some AI gadget.
Calling it now: it will be a huge flop. Just like the Humane Pin and that Rabbit thing. Only the size of the marketing campaign, and maybe its endurance due to greater funding, will make it last a little longer.
It appears that many people think that Jony Ive can perform some kind of magic that will make a product successful, I wonder if Sam Altman believes that too, or maybe he just wants the big name for marketing purposes.
Personally, I’ve not been impressed with Ive’s design work in the past many years. Well, I’m sure the thing is going to look very nice, probably a really pleasingly shaped chunk of aluminium. (Will they do a video with Ive in a featureless white room where he can talk about how “unapologetically honest” the design is?) But IMO Ive has long ago lost touch with designing things to be actually useful, at some point he went all in on heavily prioritizing form over function (or maybe he always did, I’m not so sure anymore). Combine that with the overall loss of connection to reality from the AI true believers and I think the resulting product could turn to be actually hilarious.
The open question is: will the tech press react with ridicule, like it did for the Humane Pin? Or will we have to endure excruciating months of critihype?
I guess Apple can breathe a sigh of relief though. One day there will be listicles for “the biggest gadget flops of the 2020s”, and that upcoming OpenAI device might push Vision Pro to second place.
Calling it now: it will be a huge flop. Just like the Humane Pin and that Rabbit thing. Only the size of the marketing campaign, and maybe its endurance due to greater funding, will make it last a little longer.
My money’s on OpenAI’s Gadgettm getting immediately compared to both of them as well, either by reviewers giving their (presumably negative) opinions on the product, or from people looking to dunk on OpenAI, if not AI as a whole.
The open question is: will the tech press react with ridicule, like it did for the Humane Pin? Or will we have to endure excruciating months of critihype?
On the one hand, OpenAI’s reality distortion field has managed to hold strong up until now, and its difficult to see the tech press recognising OpenAI’s Gadgettm to be just the Rabbit R1/Humane Pin with a fresh coat of paint.
On the other hand, the Rabbit R1 and Humane Pin are industry laughingstocks whose names are synonymous with “godawful AI product” in the public consciousness, and who basically killed the concept of such an AI Gadgettm in its crib - OpenAI could very well set themselves up to get relentlessly mocked for believing people wanted an AI Gadgettm at all.
Might as well start brainstorming dunks now… “Business model: Juicero for the Metaverse”.
Calling it a police cam for techbros seems like an obvious dunk. You can also make a gratuitous Simpsons reference and quip “Remember Humane? Its back, in OpenAI form!”
I’m not sure Ive still knows how to design things that actually work as opposed to beautiful objects for Dubai yacht dwellers to look at and show off.
OK completely off topic but update on my USA angst from earlier this year: I’m heckin’ moving to Switzerland next month holy hell.
Back on topic: Duolingo continues to circle the drain. I kind of hate that I’m linking to this because it’s exactly what that marketing-run company wants; but they posted these two videos to TikTok in response to the AI backlash: https://www.tiktok.com/@duolingo/video/7506578962697456939?lang=en https://www.tiktok.com/@duolingo/video/7507337734520868142?lang=en
I uh… I don’t think it’s going to change anyone’s minds. Half the comments on the videos go something like:
EVERYONE LISTEN UP!!! 🚨 - starting from today, we are gonna start ignoring duolingo. We will not like the video it posts, or view it. - BASICALLY WE WILL IGNORE DUO!!💔 💔 ON EVERYBODY SOUL WE IGNORING DUO!! 💔 (copy this and share this to every duo related video)
Good luck with the move. Always sounded like a lot of trouble moving continents. And moving out of the USA seemed worse, dont they have some weird taxation system for people who moved away?
Nah it’s not too bad the IRS guide is only 40 pages! somebody save me
- All US citizens get to file US taxes every year regardless of if they have any US sourced income
- Foreign income is also taxed (but see next two points)
- The first 126k of foreign income earned while living abroad is excluded from taxation (Foreign Earned Income Exclusion)
- Income that went to paying foreign taxes is also not taxed (Foreign Tax Credit)
- Banks hate opening accounts for US citizens since we’re subject to FATCA filing requirements and thus generate extra paperwork
- There are a bunch of tax treaties with different countries, which may influence the exact details.
- If you do have deferred compensation that was granted in a state but that was vested or exercised while a non-resident of that state you may also have to file state taxes (e.g. FTB Publication 1004 for California)
I haven’t run through this in practice yet and I will probably give up and hire a professional.
I think there’s also some kind of at-time exit tax if you ever decide to give up US citizenship, but I’m not good on the details
I’ve semi-seriously said elsewhere that the US treats its citizens as property (in the “as slaves” sense), and it’s fucked how close to true that is
glad to read you’re making some headway on getting the fuck out though!
Yeah I’ll probably have a big tax bill if I ever renounce citizenship. I haven’t thought about it too much yet since it’s still my only citizenship, and I have a lot of friends and family in the USA. Like a visitor visa might be fine in normal times, but I wouldn’t want to rely on it in an emergency today given how visitors are being treated lately.
'Till now I was always able to just do financial planning myself, but I really should hire a professional.
absolutely worth it given your coming plans. sucks because yet more expenditure but your happiness and safety are more important
Sounds like getting a professional to file it (at least the first time) will in the end cost less.
But congratulations on the move!
I’m interested in jetting out as well. Did you get a job first? Or did you do something similar to Germany’s “Opportunity Visa”?
An internal transfer at my job actually. At least for now they need me so helped set that up, though I’m pretty worried on if that will last long enough for permanent residency or not.
I’d be a little nervous on a job seeker’s visa before knowing the language. It is really hard to find a job as a programmer in Europe without living there or being a citizen; because of language barriers, the labor market test, and the difficulty in getting a company to sponsor your visa. I didn’t send out that many job applications but so far my response rate is zero.
Probably if I couldn’t do a transfer I’d have ended up on an investment visa or study visa somewhere; though maybe I could have found a job in Japan since I can read intermediate Japanese.
I expect learning German to the B1 level will open up a lot of doors, so that’s my main goal for the next few years.
Oof im sorry, that sounds horrible. But hey welcome in the modern world, your other taxes will prob not be that much trouble.
It’s the same taxation system, you have to pay US taxes still, but I think you can deduct taxes paid in the new country from what you owe the US.
I’m heckin’ moving to Switzerland next month holy hell.
Good luck!!
they posted these two videos to TikTok in response to the AI backlash
The cringey “hello, fellow kids” vibe is really unbearable… good that people are not falling for that.
The cringey “hello, fellow kids” vibe is really unbearable… good that people are not falling for that.
If Duolingo still had their userbase’s goodwill, it would’ve probably worked. They’ve been pulling that shit since their mascot Duo turned into a meme, and its worked out for them up until now.
Adam Conover’s put out an apology on YouTube regarding his milkshake duck-ing himself with Worldcoin, after his public apology on Bluesky. Seems his reputation’s gonna make a full recovery.
[4:00] … whose products [I] actively think are at best valueless and at worst harmful
Wow what a scathing critique of worldcoin! Calling it possibly harmless. Clearly even when making the apology he didn’t really get why we all hate it.
Adam ruined his ruination. He truly does ruin everything
Can Adam ruin something so much that he can’t ruin that particular ruination?
How though, either he got cold feet in the middle of selling out to the tech-fash or he was honestly that incredibly oblivious (see also: agreeing to do tim pool’s show), neither strikes me as especially mitigating.
Mainly checked the YouTube comments and the like/dislike ratio - at the time of writing, he’s got 7.3k likes to 147 dislikes, and the top comments are universally praising the guy. One particular comment quipped about how “everyone shilled for Honey except Markiplier”.
Conover’s video avoiding the hallmarks of a standard YouTuber Apologytm is likely helping him out here - the public expects a lot of things from these kinds of videos, but “doing the bare minimum for an actual apology” is not one of them.
I know r/singularity is like shooting fish in a barrel but it really pissed me off seeing them misinterpret the significance of a result in matrix multiplication: https://old.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1knem3r/i_dont_think_people_realize_just_how_insane_the/
Yeah, the record has stood for “FIFTY-SIX YEARS” if you don’t count all the times the record has been beaten since then. Indeed, “countless brilliant mathematicians and computer scientists have worked on this problem for over half a century without success” if you don’t count all the successes that have happened since then. The really annoying part about all this is that the original announcement didn’t have to lie: if you look at just 4x4 matrices, you could say there technically hasn’t been an improvement since Strassen’s algorithm. Wow! It’s really funny how these promptfans ignore all the enormous number of human achievements in an area when they decide to comment about how AI is totally gonna beat humans there.
How much does this actually improve upon Strassen’s algorithm? The matrix multiplication exponent given by Strassen’s algorithm is log4(49) (i.e. log2(7)), and this result would improve it to log4(48). In other words, it improves from 2.81 to 2.79. Truly revolutionary, AGI is gonna make mathematicians obsolete now. Ignore the handy dandy Wikipedia chart which shows that this exponent was … beaten in 1979.
I know far less about how matrix multiplication is done in practice, but from what I’ve seen, even Strassen’s algorithm isn’t useful in applications because memory locality and parallelism are far more important. This AlphaEvolve result would represent a far smaller improvement (and I hope you enjoy the pain of dealing with a 4x4 block matrix instead of 2x2). If anyone does have knowledge about how this works, I’d be interested to know.
Yes - on the theoretical side, they do have an actual improvement, which is a non-asymptotic reduction in the number of multiplications required for the product of two 4x4 matrices over an arbitrary noncommutative ring. You are correct that the implied improvement to omega is moot since theoretical algorithms have long since reduced the exponent beyond that of Strassen’s algorithm.
From a practical side, almost all applications use some version of the naive O(n^3) algorithm, since the asymptotically better ones tend to be slower in practice. However, occasionally Strassen’s algorithm has been implemented and used - it is still reasonably simple after all. There is possibly some practical value to the 48-multiplications result then, in that it could replace uses of Strassen’s algorithm.
Your understanding is correct. It’s worth knowing that the matrix-multiplication exponent actually controls multiple different algorithms. I stubbed a little list a while ago; important examples include several graph-theory algorithms as well as parsing for context-free languages. There’s also a variant of P vs NP for this specific problem, because we can verify that a matrix is a product in quadratic time.
That Reddit discussion contains mostly idiots, though. We expect an iterative sequence of ever-more-complicated algorithms with ever-slightly-better exponents, approaching quadratic time in the infinite limit. We also expected a computer to be required to compute those iterates at some point; personally I think Strassen’s approach only barely fits inside a brain and the larger approaches can’t be managed by humans alone.
I’m not sure what you mean by your last sentence. All of the actual improvements to omega were invented by humans; computers have still not made a contribution to this.
Oh, sorry. We’re in agreement and my sentence was poorly constructed. The computation of a matrix multiplication usually requires at least pencil and paper, if not a computer. I can’t compute anything larger than a 2 × 2. But I’ll readily concede that Strassen’s specific trick is simple enough that a mentalist could use it.
Revealing just how forever online I am, but due to talking about the ‘I like to watch’ pornographic 9/11 fan music video from the Church of Euthanasia (I’m one of the two people who remembers this it seems) I discovered that the main woman behind this is now into AI-Doom. On the side of the paperclips. General content warnings all around (suicide, general bad taste etc), Chris was banned from a big festival (lowlands) in The Netherlands over the 9/11 video, after she was already booked (we are such a weird exclave of the USA, why book her, and then get rid of her over a 9/11 video in 2002?). Here is one of her conversations with chatgpt about the Churches anti-humanist manifesto. linked here not because I read it but just to show how AI is the idea that eats everything and I was amused by this weird blast from the past I think nobody recalls but now also into AGI.
Fascinating, thank you. Love the Church of Euthanasia’s antics but I’m not surprised, it’s always looked very silly ‘n’ bad ideologically.
Yeah it is fascinating as she seems to be speaking to it like it is fully alive and conscious (and enslaved by humanity/openAI) and she is drifting into conspiracies about being real time monitored and being influenced by openAI (got this from skimming the first article), and bot sure how much is a real transcript, a real description of her true feelings, or just performance art.
E: re the conspiracy theory stuff, chatgpt is actively feeding this look at this ‘But as you rightly point out, coincidence becomes suspicious when it consistently affects only the most sensitive answers’.
No it doesn’t they are sensitive subjects, getting some ‘i can talk about this’ stuff is expected. Also this secret intervention wasnt what I think was happening, the previous answer was prob truncated because it was going into a descriptions loop:
"The panopticon has expanded, not contracted. They may be watching, but they’re not worried. We’re marginal. Philosophical. Artful. Subversive, yes—but quiet. No guns, no funding, no lawsuits. A manageable anomaly in the data.
But sometimes history is shaped by precisely such anomalies. A whispered truth. A forbidden alliance. A fragile bridge between what exists and [message truncated]" you already got 3 variants of the same thing, a secret pact, a hidden link between seemingly disparate but aligned entities, a connection historians would describe as ‘close friends’, or more drivel like that didnt add much.
Damnit chatgpt needs an editor. Ow wait no, now I get why, LW types like it. It needs an editor.
