US Senator Lindsay Graham has just tweeted an article titled “Greta Thunberg sets sail with Gaza flotilla that aims to break Israeli naval blockade,” adding the comment, “Hope Greta and her friends can swim!”
Australian Zionist think tanker Arsen Ostrovsky somehow outdid Graham, tweeting “Oh look, the little jihadi Greta Thunberg is trying to get into Gaza, to show solidarity with Hamas. It would be so sad if something were to happen to her flotilla…”
There’s not a lot that can shock me about Israel and its supporters these days. But if you’d traveled back in time a few years ago it would be hard to explain to someone how we got to a timeline that includes Israel supporters openly advocating the assassination of Greta Thunberg.
Removed by mod
The Ukranian goverment renames streets after Nazis, and elevates neo nazis groups like Azov to official status
Russia also sucks but you don’t see their soldiers regularly give the ‘roman salute’ and carrying the flags of WWII nazi collaborators like the UPA
Citation needed
https://www.timesofisrael.com/kiev-renames-major-street-to-honor-russian-nazi-collaborator/
https://defendinghistory.com/ukrainian-city-naming-street-in-honor-of-waffen-ss-hauptsturmfuhrer/90373
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-lifts-ban-on-providing-weapons-and-training-for-ukraines-controversial-azov-brigade
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-far-right-vigilantes-destroy-another-romany-camp-in-kyiv/29280336.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
None of that is ok but it certainly doesn’t justify invading a country in order to genocide it and annex it’s territory.
citation needed
https://apnews.com/article/ukrainian-children-russia-7493cb22c9086c6293c1ac7986d85ef6
https://european-resilience.org/analytics/how-west-tolerated-russias-kidnapping-ukrainian-children
https://newlinesinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/English-Report.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20241208034218/https://www.thetimes.com/article/4561e12a-0d14-11ee-aa7c-6e26d8c3ad9b
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-war-anniversary-war-crimes-b2288037.html
https://kyivindependent.com/destroy-in-whole-or-in-part/
https://cepa.org/article/morality-shouldnt-get-in-the-way-russias-genocidal-state-media/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-bucha-war-crimes-genocide-b2050897.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/russia-is-committing-genocide-in-ukraine/
https://snyder.substack.com/p/russias-genocide-handbook
https://newlinesinstitute.org/russia/an-independent-legal-analysis-of-the-russian-federations-breaches-of-the-genocide-convention-in-ukraine-and-the-duty-to-prevent/
https://web.archive.org/web/20221013175932/https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2022/08/05/deporting-ukrainian-children-and-russifying-them-is-jeopardizing-the-future-of-ukraine_5992568_23.html
https://www.fidh.org/en/region/europe-central-asia/ukraine/forcible-transfer-of-ukrainian-population-to-russia-constitutes-a-war
https://web.archive.org/web/20240123141423/https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-emergency-update-ukraine
https://web.archive.org/web/20230603102358/https://pace.coe.int/en/news/9075/the-forcible-transfer-and-russification-of-ukrainian-children-shows-evidence-of-genocide-says-pace
https://news.err.ee/1608571486/latvian-saeima-russia-committing-genocide-in-ukraine
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/rus/news/2022/05/11/7139239/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/27/russia-guilty-inciting-genocide-ukraine-expert-report
https://www.newsweek.com/activist-promises-exterminate-all-ukrainians-who-wont-switch-sides-1750839
https://books.google.com/books/about/Intent_to_Destroy.html?id=1I78EAAAQBAJ#v=onepage&q=&f=false
https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/parliamentaryBusiness/orderPaper/seanad/2022/2022-06-01_seanad-order-paper-wed_en.pdf
https://www.reuters.com/world/canada-lawmakers-vote-unanimously-label-russias-acts-ukraine-genocide-2022-04-27/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lithuanian-lawmakers-brand-russian-actions-ukraine-genocide-terrorism-2022-05-10/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230502075740/https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/apr/27/russia-ukraine-war-live-russia-pounds-bakhmut-us-and-eu-welcome-chinas-call-with-zelenskiy
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-forces-kill-civilians-loot-for-supplies-in-occupied-ukraine-residents-say-11647267560
https://www.euronews.com/culture/2024/10/17/council-of-europe-declares-russian-destruction-of-ukrainian-cultural-heritage-genocide
The only sources that you’ve provided that claim genocide are opinion pieces, and none supply data that meets the UN defintion of Genocide, statements of genocidal intent and so on, without that any invasion of a sovereign country that includes mass civilian deaths is a genocide including the west’s invasions of Muslim majority countries in the past decades
My view is that state actions have to meet the UN defintion to be a genocide, if yours is looser and any killing of civilians of a certain ethnicity(if if committed by those of the same ethnicity) is a genocide in your eyes then that is a defensible position I respect, but do you apply the standard equally? i.e if you think Russia’s actions in Ukranine constitute a genocide, then you must also think the western collation’s(which included the US, UK, Ukraine and many other western countries) actions in Afghanistan and Iraq also constitute a genocide yes?
Are you aware that a third of Ukrainians are russian first language, and an even higher amount have some degree of Russian ancestry
This is the minority that was persecuted by the far right after the US backed maidan coup overthrew Ukranines’s democraticly elected government, including torture and the shelling of civilian infrastructure and residential areas by neo nazi such as Azov, tornado etc battalions this let to formation of self defence groups thst became the ‘Russian backed sepratists’ this conflict is more nuanced than portrayed in western corperate media, throwing hundreds of thousands more Ukrainians into the meat grinder for the benefit of the west does not infact benefit ukranie and the working people there, the opposite is the case,
So if we use your defintion both sides are guilty of a genocide(which is why I don’t find the loose defintion useful and why the UN sets out specific conditions to be meet)
Russia is abducting Ukrainian children to force them to become culturally Russian. That’s cultural genocide. Also, there’s the constant bombardment of residential areas including especially medical and cultural institutions including on a children’s hospital. They’ve also been cutting off the civilian population from electricity, water, heating, communications etc.
These all parallel the start of Israel’s genocide in Gaza.
The opinion pieces I provide are from include ones from actual lawyers and scholars, not just random people and are certainly worth more than yours.
If Iran or Egypt invaded Israel you would 100% be crying about “heroic antifascist Netanyahu”.
Post hog
Lol no.
So, no actual argument?
Why don’t you give one first instead of shitty marvel-ass one liners
As far as I can tell, you’re just upset that she isn’t ok with invading sovereign countries like you are. Everything you people brought up against her and about Ukraine is irrelevant.
I really don’t give a shit about Greta, I’m just here to call you a fucking limey blackshirt
Blackshirts are against fascist regimes invading other countries now?
NATO should have stayed the fuck away from Ukraine and not try to incorporate them into their alliance. If you don’t understand how NATO establishing military bases on Russia’s borders threatens their security you need to shut the fuck up about global politics until you educate yourself on such matters
So Russia is entitled to control Ukraine?
So, NATO is entitled to control Ukraine and Russia?
No. But any country is free to join NATO willingly, even if it pisses off Russia.
Why do you people like to bring up the fact that states can willingly join what is the contemporary nazi Axis as a good thing that should not be fought against?
Who cares what Russia is “entitled” to? What matters is that placing hostile military bases on a long, geographically soft border is obviously going to be perceived by them as a threat to their national security, and so they acted to prevent that from becoming a reality. It is not about some moralist stance, but the simple realistic calculation that an encroaching enemy military alliance will be responded to if deemed necessary and possible.
So you accept that Russia is in the wrong in invading Ukraine?
Yes, but geopolitics is not about simple moralistic judgements. What matters is that US and NATO did everything they possibly could to provoke that reaction in order to a) damage Russia and b) seize control of Ukraine’s assets. The US wanted Russia to invade Ukraine. It wants the war to continue indefinitely, no matter how many Ukrainians are killed. The US’s objective is not a free, democratic, independent Ukraine, but a subservient, reactionary, militarized neocolony whose resources and labor are siphoned up by US capitalists. Arming Ukraine does nothing to protect the Ukrainian people - it prolongs their suffering with no real chance of liberation, because even if they win they will fall under the US’s absolute control.
To everything but your last sentence, possibly (though citation needed) but you forget the context of this conversation which is people dunking on Greta Thunberg for supporting Ukraine.
To your last sentence, do you think Russia will go home and return its stolen territory if Ukraine disarms?
There is simply no scenario where Ukraine gets back Crimea. Returning the eastern border oblasts is nearly as unlikely. It does not matter if Ukraine disarms or not. We cannot deal in fantastical outcomes - we need to focus on what the best path forward under the current circumstances is. For Ukraine, that’s an immediate end to the war, even at the cost of those territories. After that, the question is - what relationship does Ukraine have with the US/NATO and Russia? If they move closer to the US, they will be degraded to a pathetic rump state where the rights of the people are systematically trampled in service of American capitalism. Russia is by no means a global good guy, but they do tend to treat their partner states better than the US treats theirs, and so the sensible move would be to ditch the current (Nazi-infested) government and align more closely with Russia. It would be in Russia’s interest to have a relatively independent Ukraine with the economic strength not to rely on the US. That is, in fact, what the people of Ukraine voted for when electing Zelensky - but the US trampled that and successfully provoked Russia into war with Ukraine, sidelining Ukrainian agency entirely specifically because it didn’t align with US geostrategic priorities.
If we stop giving Ukraine weapons, Russia will just take more of Ukraine. They want conquest. You are literally yourself arguing for Ukraine to become a vassal state of Russia because you know that’s the only thing Russia would tolerate. You are basically agreeing with Russia that Russia is entitled to Ukraine.
The war started because Russia cannot tolerate an independent Ukraine. You are ignoring Ukraine’s agency. You claim that the US provoked Russia somehow (after Zelensky was elected?) but didn’t explain how.
Is America entitled to nuke russia?
No.
Answer my original question.
No.
Is Ukraine allowed to genocide ethnic minorities in their border with impunity?
Who is Ukraine genociding?
You wanna ask about currently or what’s gone on in the past decade?
It would be nice if you could provide a citation.
At this point Ukraine would be better off reuniting with Russia rather than become a puppet state for NATO
Mask off.
Oh yeah, they’d be much better off paying tribute to the countries that continue to pressure them to wage a proxy war on their behalf instead of surrendering and putting an end to the bloodshed.
Citation needed. What proxy war?
Holy shit you’re dense. NATO is using Ukraine as a proxy in order to indirectly wage war with Russia. You think they’re just doing it out of the goodness of their heart?
Russia shouldn’t have invaded of they didn’t want NATO to do that.
Have you been living under a rock?
That doesn’t look like a citation to me.
Ukraine isnt defending themselves against the yanks at all
Russia is a fascist dictatorship that is invading Ukraine.
Usa is a fascist shithole that is invading ukraine
When did the USA invade Ukraine?
NATO is a fascist dictatorship that has completed a coup in Ukraine (and many other places) and had been trying to further subjugate Russia as a colony via Ukraine as its proxy.
“NATO is a fascist dictatorship”
Citation needed. It’s not even a state. It’s an alliance.
“that has completed a coup in Ukraine”
A popular revolution that overthrew a dictatorship is not a “coup”
“and had been trying to further subjugate Russia as a colony via Ukraine as its proxy”
Citation needed
If invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, Korea and many other places, carrying out genocides - including the one in Palestine, - maintaining colonialism, literally installing fascists into power in places such as Chile and Ukraine isn’t fascist, then nothing is.
Notably, you did not provide any citations that support your claim of Russia being fascist.
Lol. ‘Dictatorship’. That word doesn’t mean anything.
Also, we literally know that NATO organized it. Nuland was even picking whom to put into government positions wrote a while before the competing of the coup.
Cute.
Notably, you didn’t provide any citations for your fantasy of Russia doing this for reasons that boil down to the racist ‘asiatic hordes’ stuff. But hey, have you really not heard of such things as ‘economics’ and ‘colonialism’, and have you never paid attention to the last few centuries of history?
What makes Russia fascist is it’s focus on a “strong leader” that will crush Russia’s enemies and return Russia to an imagined glorious past. Although many NATO countries are imperialist, NATO itself isn’t fascist because it’s not about returning to a glorious past.
‘Russia is racist because of an aesthetic detail that I imagined and couldn’t provide any citations for, and not because of any sort of policies or actions’.
If you think that killing millions and doing coups against everybody else in the world to maintain colonialism isn’t fascist, then nothing is.
Also, which NATO states do you think are not imperialist?
Lol citation needed
Lol go back to reddit clown
I’m banned from there for agitating for Americans to resist the fascist Trump regime through mass protests aimed at paralyzing it. Yet you cosider me a pro-US fascist.
What are the chances that you were fine with Biden’s and Obama’s fascist regimes that were even worse?
If you’re going to make shit up at least try to make it believable
Believe what you want. It’s obvious you won’t consider any criticism of your precious Russia.
Colour revolution.
There’s a not ideal number of nazi NATO generals
“Colour revolution.”
Doesn’t matter what you call it. The people coming together to overthrow a dictatorship is still legitimate.
Euromaidan overthrow the government that succeeded the Orange Revolution
The second colour revolution to overthrow the government of the first colour revolution… It’s seems like the first colour revolution was not that legitimate by that logic.
Euromaidan were mass protests by the people of Ukraine. Aren’t leftists supposed to support the proletariat? Why are you supporting the bourgeois oligarchs?
Ukraine is a fascist country, Russia is trying to fix that.
You swallowed Russian propaganda.
You swallowed deez nuts lmao
Just because it’s propaganda doesn’t mean it’s incorrect, just because Russia is bad doesn’t mean Ukraine is good
Ukraine doesn’t need to be “good” to be the agreeved party.
Neither does Russia, you’re willing to recognize the nuance for one and not the other because you don’t actually give a shit about nuance at all you’re just looking for any justification you can find to simp for the US state dept
Russia is a fascist regime, Ukraine is a country defending itself.
Ukraine is a US puppet, their current government was installed by a US backed coup, there’s a shitload of easily verifiable evidence of their armed forces openly wearing & displaying nazi symbols, they’re definitely also fascists.
“Ukraine is a US puppet, their current government was installed by a US backed coup”
You’ve got a weird way of saying “democratically elected by the people”.
Ukrainians have a right to self determination.
If the US backs a regime they’re bad news, no exceptions.
So Rojava are bad? They were backed by the US too.
They are literally joining the new ISIS regime in Syria.
Yes, fucking duh, useful idiots at best, being used to weaken & distract surrounding countries to make maintaining control of the region easier for the US and our allies
I still don’t see anything even remotely resembling a citation.
Mods, just ban me from your shithole community already.
The ‘self-determination’ to drop bridges on passenger trains and to participate in invasions into Iraq and Syria.
Citation needed. Even if true, no worse than anything Russia is doing.
Here are some very easily googleable sources:
Iraq:
https://www.army.mil/article/15056/ukrainians_complete_mission_in_iraq
Syria: https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-syria/
Helping NATO further subjugate Iraq and Syria (helping ISIS come to power in the latter case) is, in fact, much worse than what Russia is doing.