‘No Kings’ demonstrator dies after being shot at Utah protest, police say
www.theguardian.com
Man in custody after Arthur Folasa Ah Loo, 39, was apparently shot by member of event’s peacekeeping team
      • brown567@sh.itjust.works
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        11 days ago

        To be fair, they very much did stop someone whose intent seemed to be mass violence. The man who died caught a stray, which is still a tragedy but it could have gone so much worse

        • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish
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          11 days ago

          That (no doubt unintentionally) casts it as a simple “trolley problem” dichotomy. But it’s not a dichotomy. “Commit fewer homicides than the bad guy might have” is not a win condition, it’s barely more than a push.

          Edit: shooter still succeeded in their goal. Suicidal terrorists don’t see this and think, “I need a better plan,” they think, “I can’t be stopped.” Shooter doesn’t care who pulled the trigger, he still bagged a kill!!!

  • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    11 days ago

    Fuck I’d hate the be the guy who stopped him. Non-zero chance that he didn’t actually stop a mass shooting, and ending up being the only party present who actually killed an innocent person. Seriously, I hope that guy has strong friend / family support and really good therapy, he’s gonna need it all.

  • aramis87@fedia.io
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    11 days ago

    For the people who didn’t read the article, or found it confusing, here’s some context, put into a timeline from the slightly confusing article:

    Arturo Gamboa was marching with the crowd in Salt Lake City, when he separated from the march, moved behind a wall and returned with a rifle. Two of the march’s peacekeepers saw this and confronted him with their handguns drawn. At this point, Gamboa raised his rifle into a firing position and ran toward the crowd. One of the march’s peacekeepers fired three rounds. He hit Gamboa, and also hit innocent bystander Arthur Folasa Ah Loo. Ah Loo has died.

    Not from the article: there’s a video circulating of a bunch of people sitting in an entryway. One of the people there picks up a backpack belonging to someone else and moves away, saying “He’s got a rifle in here”. They call over the police, who force the guy down and arrest him.

    The video is from when the crowd is sheltering after the shots were fired. Gamboa, who was injured, tried to hide inside the crowd. One of the people there noticed the shape of the hidden rifle, and the blood on his hand, took the backpack away and they called the cops over.

    Edit: I went to the SLC sub on The Other Place:

    Video of the first shots being fired (no gore) Note that it looks like the news article may have the confrontation / running away / firing sequence out of order. I’m gonna turn off notifications and you guys can debate this among yourselves.

    Video of the guy finding the gun and calling the cops over

    Video of people helping others over a wall to escape the area. Among the people helping others up: Batman!

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
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      11 days ago

      You were able to write a more clear straight forward summary of information than the trained Guardian reporter who put together this story.

      It goes to show how major media go out of their way to share simple straight forward information in the most complex way in order to maintain some strange control over the narrative of any given event.