YES. That is the most annoying shit ever. I’m just tryna have a good time practicing good technique with a handgun and I have to sit and listen to some moron spray hundreds of dollars worth of ammo away so they can feel like they’re the coolest dude at the range. Then they leave and we all look around at each other like “thank fuck that asshole is finally gone eye roll emoji”

1. There are different kinds of 5.56mm ammo, they don’t all have the same construction or behave the same way. We don’t know what ICE are loading.
2. Even M855 green tip (which is what it sounds like you’re describing, or at least some similar variety of FMJ soft core round) can pierce lighter body armour and still be lethal. That means against an unarmoured target it’s going to have very little problem going in and out of a human body.
3. While I’ll grant that most softer varieties of 5.56 will be stopped by brick (again, we don’t know exactly what ICE are loading, but fairs fair, it was somewhat of an overstatement on my part), they will certainly have no difficulty going through drywall, wood, and other visual obstructions that could be concealing an innocent bystander. While it’s certainly true that something like a 9mm can also penetrate many of these obstructions, it will not retain nearly as much lethality when doing so, and it simply makes no sense to increase your risk of injuring a bystander every time you fire for basically no gain. If you fire an AR-15 inside a building (which, y’know, is where a bunch of people doing no-knock raids expect to be spending a lot of their time) you have a very high chance of killing an innocent bystander you couldn’t even see.

For more on this I consulted my wife who confirmed that she’s been shown videos in training of 5.56 going through multiple layers of dry-wall and still retaining lethal velocity. You can see this in this video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3BlRPtCj2E) but know that this is also what professionals are taught about their weapons when considering targets, over-penetration and cover.

It helps morale, and makes stress easier to deal with, and can build solidarity. Several years ago, in a situation where me and 131 other people were waiting for our imminent deaths, and were powerless to do anything about it, some people were freaking out, some sat in silence, and others of us joked and laughed about the situation. I actually asked one of my friends if he’d like to retake an exam, so he could maybe pass it, and sue with a better grade. He really bombed an exam badly, the day before, and there obviously wouldn’t be time for other remediation. He he told me to fuck off, we both laughed, did a “cheers” with our half empty coffees, and finished them off.

I was one of the laughers/jokers, but when the situation changed, giving us hope of survival, the laughing and joking went silent. Hope brought the stress for the rest of us. Obviously, we survived (I’m thumbing this missive out on my phone). I’ve been married over 20 years, have a couple kids.

maybe i never saw the internet as a social environment. just a space for organization.

then maybe more of us need to be pointing that out

the solution is simple. people are just cowards.

Not commenting on the other parts of this discussion but a single shot from a rifle absolutely CAN cause permanent hearing damage. Even some weapons suppressed are still loud enough to damage your hearing over a short amount of time/multiple shoots. Have you ever seen or watched news of cops shooting someone and NOT firing multiple rounds?
Of all the tactical battle rattle these ICE dorks are wearing to capture people, I think suppressors are the least worrisome; should maybe even be mandatory for law enforcement in urban environments. That’s coming from my experience shooting in the Marines and being a hobby shooter since then.

I would prefer the cops not have any guns at all. They would certainly be more polite. If they are going to go do something that would need a gun they need a warrant and then 5 pages of requisition forms filled out in triplicate to request the guns.

It’s not like they’ve been trained in any de-escalation techniques, if they’ve been trained at all.

A suppressor on a subsonic .22 caliber gun is about as close to movie/video game quiet as you can expect. There is still variation, but subsonic ammo eliminates the “crack” from the sonic boom (comes from the bullet itself), and the suppressor reduces the muzzle noise a lot. In person I’ve heard one suppressed subsonic .22, and it was about the level of a good clap. 👏

A good answer to your question needs more specifics, but in general, suppressed handguns with home-defense or target ammo are still loud enough to gain attention.

On the other hand, subsonic ammo will be pretty quiet and reduce the noise drastically, but unless you have the semi-auto mechanics tuned properly, the gun won’t cycle the next round in very well. I can’t speak to the stopping power of subsonic ammo but again, it probably requires specifics to give an accurate answer.

History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.