Hi,
i want to explore the various way we can highlight content.
Currently, on the threadiverse, we use vote to show our approval, discontent…and we can couple it with a bot for moderation. Or hide post below a certain score…
Some instance completly removed downvote as Beehaw. Piefed is experimenting private vote. On other fediverse software, mastodon, iceshrimp, there is no downvote and we use emojis to express our feelings.
You also have website as https://slashdot.org/ where you can tell that comment was insightfull or a troll, or funny…
There is also also website that compare software or video as https://tournesol.app/
- Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
- Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
- What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?
- What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
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I thought about how to game this. If you’re running the election you’d make the number of points really small so that people would have to choose between an agenda item or several or your pick or you do a prime number times a perfect square, for example 5×9 that way voters can’t put more than 9 in any category without it not resulting in a perfect integer. Of course you say that resulting vote could result in integer values.
Voting is fine the way it is.
Any instances with issues can change settings for themselves.
🖐️ I have a dumb question
Aren’t votes on Lemmy private?
They really aren’t Here are yours :)
I think this is a huge problem but I also don’t think things are going to change
Yeah, that’s concerning. However after being on the Fediverse for a while, I understand that the freedom from corporations comes in a trade-off with privacy, and even if I’m not tech savvy I’m convinced this isn’t going to change. Maybe there should more understanding about this, and we should put online only things we are totally ok with being publicly available and share private stuff only in specific places such as encrypted chats
They’re not. Each post’s upvoters are visible via ActivityPub endpoints.
There are no endpoints from which the votes can be fetched. One would have to make an instance to receive the
LikeorDislikeactivities.
[email protected] personally, since I create AP enabled software I am on the side of votes being public data. We already have enough issues with votes being out of sync with each other. Mixing in private voting is just asking for trouble.
Emoji reactions are neat, although niche to those softwares that utilise it. They allow for greater expression which is nice. They’re useless for deriving value (for ranking purposes) unless you assign value to them.
Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?
Making them private is absolute idiotic. People participating in a discussion forum are willing to engage in a public conversation, if you are not willing to respond in public, then don’t respond at all. And if you think that the original comment is in bad faith or harmful to the community, report it and move on.
Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?
“Votes” are not real votes. It’s just a terrible misnomer for “Liking” and “Disliking”. I think we should get rid of votes altogether and use the real vocabulary.
I’d also would like a system where users could define their own scoring algorithm, and I would like to assign different weights depending on the person and the topic/community. I for one think that downvotes (dislikes) should only be counted if you are a member of the community and if you have made a positive contribution to the discussion.
What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?
I’d like to be able to follow people just to see what they are liking/commenting on. Also, given that this is a discussion forum, I wonder whether we could build a wiki-like system where people could annotate parts of a comment/post and challenge/elaborate/investigate specific parts of an statement. This could be used either for a “Change My View” style of discussion or even full-on adversarial collaboration projects.
I like the downvotes disabled model.
It also means that the “active” sort algorithm doesn’t promote posts that get lots of “downvotes” -> engagement
That also means you can’t downvote just wrong information anymore. Look at YouTube, which disabled down votes and nothing got better. And their votes weren’t even public.
I think that’s a terrible idea.
you can’t downvote just wrong information anymore.
If “wrong information” can be properly defined, then either you challenge it (by responding, calling it out) or by reporting it. Downvoting it just because it you think it is not appropriate is a recipe for creating echo chambers.
As much as I wish votes could be private, obfuscating them would make troll instances harder to notice. I think I hate it the most that the current model gives the illusion of being private, when it isn’t.
Yea, the best solution is:
- Keep votes “semi-public” (visible to mods/admins) to aid in moderation and avoid vote manipulation.
- Make it very clear to users that votes are not private.
As long as users know that votes are not private, it should be okay.
Problem is, if it’s visible to mods, it’s effectively public.
This also presumes mods are, by default, inherently non-biased, held to a standard, and never have vendettas of their own.
Of all the many things reddit did poorly, choosing not to let mods see votes was an excellent decision.
This also presumes mods are, by default, inherently non-biased, held to a standard, and never have vendettas of their own.
Of course mods are not always like that. But if mods are like that, just go to another community. If mods are bad, just leave. On the fediverse, you “vote” with where you participate.
Public voting, or at least semi public-voting helps cultivate a high-trust culture on-site in my opinion. And being able to remove repeat offending downvoters who do it nonetheless is very useful.
I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. As that kind of behaviour now is more-or-less confined to non-interacting support/troll accounts, it’s much rarer of a problem. Unlike Reddit when a lot of threads can quickly get downvote buried instantly for seemingly no reason.
