I literally reported posts publicly for rule 7 violation, at which point I got abused for saying that. To my knowledge none of the people who did this were sanctioned.
Also, I’m not particularly interested in training your cops. It’s your whole culture that created 10 different posts shitting on our instance and our admins and that is not fixed by more prompt reporting.
Say what you will about random people complaining about hexbear, it’s individuals here and there. if you had threads upon threads dedicated to flinging insults and disinfo about your instance and your admins, I suspect you might want to defend yourself sometime, like you felt compelled to do just now.
I’ve reviewed the past week of reports and literally see 0 made by you. Outside of reports I’ve asked any posts made regarding db0 mods or admins to be removed, if I’ve missed any that specifically reference you or others please let me know, and I’ll address them in context of community/site code of conduct. I apologize if there are any that were allowed to stay up for an extended period of time.
Commenting is not the same as the report function. Yes, I do trust the hexbear moderators to handle their communities as they see fit, if you were to see the amount of posts/comments on hexbear you could understand the need to delegate. In addition, I personally believe in horizontal power and entrusting the site to those that stand up to take responsibility for the community. There is an established method for questioning mod decisions, either the feedback or hexbear community. I recognize that it may be unclear to non-local users, if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?
Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?
I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.
Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?
Have you ever done a lemmy search for “hexbear”?
I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don’t feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.
Based upon the praise in this thread and in the hexbear vote regarding db0 you would see the positive outweigh the negative of you and your instance.
I’m not the kind of person who goes to some other’s community and starts hitting the report buttons because someone insulted me (although I am fairly sure I did that as well when I reported the rule 7 violation once?). I would assume your own established people who do that themselves instead of attacking me for reminding them their own comm rules. Surely you don’t think that it’s my responsibility to police your comms and report whenever I see yet another thread attacking our admins and instance? For me, this is a culture issue.
if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?
We haven’t had to establish any particular process. We have an appeals matrix channel if needed, but we haven’t had anyone disputing our mod actions yet.
Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?
Yes! In fact, I have had some of your users PM me before because I banned them from a community because they were harassing random people. I just laughed at them and then reported and blocked them on the second PM I also receive mention pings from your comms which is how I sometimes find these threads after they’ve been going on for a while. Lately I’ve been sometimes searching my alias, since new threads kept popping up so often.
Question: Is there no nuance in your world? Am I some random troll? No, you know very well who I am and why I reacted the way I did, or if you can’t possibly understand why I would react so badly and out of character for me, did it not strike you as something that would require some clarification before acting? Because from where I’m standing, you were just looking for an excuse to ban me. Much like that mod who admitted they were just looking for any excuse to ban me from their comm because I annoyed them with my mere existence.
And fair’s fair, you can ban whoever you want, but if you do a) don’t act like this was some neutral decision and b) don’t spread disinfo that I “harassed your admins” because I justifiably insulted one of them, once, after they insulted me first and deleted all my non-rule breaking comments trying to defend our instance from disinfo.
I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.
Historically, ever since I upset hexbears by rejecting left-unity, 10 sounds about right. Just off the top of my head there’s the one about the removed post where I was banned. The one where they attacked unruffled. The one where they attacked my pfp. The one where they attacked me for posting a meme in /c/anarchism. The three you removed after my meme. I am not keeping links mate, this is not so important to me. But the constant hate trend is undeniable, let’s not kid ourselves.
I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don’t feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.
How can I possibly comment about the rationale for removing a post in /c/piracy with a pseudonymous account?
As strange as it sounds, I commented inside hexbear threads because I still see some value in your opinions of us. I wouldn’t go to a fascist instance to defend myself (I would just defed them). But in order to have any chance to do that inside hexbear, I need an extremely hard shell around me because of the massive toxicity and bad faith I have to face, toxicity which gets thicker and thicker with every new thread about us allowing to fester. So I am compelled to defend my instance as myself when I see disinfo about how we’re “defending corporations” or some other typical uncharitable shit. In the last thread, I tried to do this as calmly as humanly possibly while one of your peeps threw ableism in my face, and even that wasn’t enough.
Likewise, you don’t go to defend yourselves in every reactionary comm because you don’t care about their opinions, but you came in this thread to do so, even using an alt to do so,for similar drive to myself. You intuitively understand why I do what I do.
Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?
Maybe not, it’s also not fair to expect us to act as the hexbear police. Your own community should be self-reporting as needed instead of turning a blind eye when it’s someone they love to hate.
After all this, I still don’t have any hate in my heart for hexbear and I’m probably the only reason we haven’t de-federated you. However I don’t think it’s true for you peeps and I think that’s sad that so many in your community are so hell bent on burning this bridge because they can’t tolerate me being against “left unity” or being cowered by the constant bullying.
Nor do I have hate for you or the /0 instance in fact in the vote post majority of the hexbear users feel the same way.
There are no downvotes and the culture of commenting dissent might make it feel like there are so many that want to burn the bridge but based on every instance wide federation check in more enjoy /0 and the users than dislike.
I used an alt because you are banned from hexbear so posts you make don’t show up, i guess I could’ve done it in matrix but decided to do it publically. Yeah I care about you and your opinion over every other instance (except the .ml ones, tankies gotta stick together) and despite what you may think didn’t want to ban you. Getting a
If you want to develop a culture where users feel safe to report direct messages you need to act on them regardless of who they are. I’ve banned many longtime hexbear users and moderators for the same thing.
I’ve removed all the posts regarding you and Unruffled that I was aware of and didn’t know that the pfp post was even about you, the primary account I use has avatars disabled. Reporting that post would have helped in getting it addressed. For what it’s worth the person you direct messaged actually removed one of the posts about you after it was reported.
Moderation can always improve, just as there were criticisms of the way that the meme in /c/piracy was handled there are criticisms to be made of how moderation is on hexbear communities. Just as there is hate and animosity towards /0 users and admins there is hate and animosity towards hexbear users and admins.
I said you were banned for dm harassment of a moderator, as that is what happened. Had you said the same thing in a comment the action would have likely been different.
I apologize that you’ve received harassing direct messages and for the unreliable cross-instance reporting.
It is the responsibility of both moderator and user to cultivate a community. With active moderation on one hand and reporting on the other. I don’t think it’s fair to criticize moderation without doing your part.
I’m saddened that this ended up how it did and apologize for any stress you experienced.
I won’t be logging back onto this account for awhile, thanks for your previous comment and i wish you the best.
You are completely delusional if you think the hexbear admins have any interest in Lemmy beyond trolling and sophomoric information warfare. They very clearly do not care about engaging outside of their community in good faith.
I literally reported posts publicly for rule 7 violation, at which point I got abused for saying that. To my knowledge none of the people who did this were sanctioned.
Also, I’m not particularly interested in training your cops. It’s your whole culture that created 10 different posts shitting on our instance and our admins and that is not fixed by more prompt reporting.
Say what you will about random people complaining about hexbear, it’s individuals here and there. if you had threads upon threads dedicated to flinging insults and disinfo about your instance and your admins, I suspect you might want to defend yourself sometime, like you felt compelled to do just now.
I’ve reviewed the past week of reports and literally see 0 made by you. Outside of reports I’ve asked any posts made regarding db0 mods or admins to be removed, if I’ve missed any that specifically reference you or others please let me know, and I’ll address them in context of community/site code of conduct. I apologize if there are any that were allowed to stay up for an extended period of time.
Commenting is not the same as the report function. Yes, I do trust the hexbear moderators to handle their communities as they see fit, if you were to see the amount of posts/comments on hexbear you could understand the need to delegate. In addition, I personally believe in horizontal power and entrusting the site to those that stand up to take responsibility for the community. There is an established method for questioning mod decisions, either the feedback or hexbear community. I recognize that it may be unclear to non-local users, if I may what is the db0 process for handling disputes for mod actions?
Do you think that if one of your moderators was sent a direct message calling them a piece of shit, you would act differently?
I dispute the accusation that there were 10 different posts, rather there were three that are removed. If there are others, please send me the link so that they can be addressed.
Is it fair to expect the admins to individually review over 3 million comments without having reports to guide us to those made in violation of rules?
Have you ever done a lemmy search for “hexbear”?
I think you will find there are many threads flinging insults and disinfo about us and I would say that I don’t feel the need to defend, in fact had you or Unruffled heeded my advice about making a non-admin account to comment/post on we would not be in this situation.
Based upon the praise in this thread and in the hexbear vote regarding db0 you would see the positive outweigh the negative of you and your instance.
If the report function doesn’t work (or isn’t federated when made by users not on your own instance) then that would be consistent.
I’m not the kind of person who goes to some other’s community and starts hitting the report buttons because someone insulted me (although I am fairly sure I did that as well when I reported the rule 7 violation once?). I would assume your own established people who do that themselves instead of attacking me for reminding them their own comm rules. Surely you don’t think that it’s my responsibility to police your comms and report whenever I see yet another thread attacking our admins and instance? For me, this is a culture issue.
We haven’t had to establish any particular process. We have an appeals matrix channel if needed, but we haven’t had anyone disputing our mod actions yet.
Yes! In fact, I have had some of your users PM me before because I banned them from a community because they were harassing random people. I just laughed at them and then reported and blocked them on the second PM I also receive mention pings from your comms which is how I sometimes find these threads after they’ve been going on for a while. Lately I’ve been sometimes searching my alias, since new threads kept popping up so often.
Question: Is there no nuance in your world? Am I some random troll? No, you know very well who I am and why I reacted the way I did, or if you can’t possibly understand why I would react so badly and out of character for me, did it not strike you as something that would require some clarification before acting? Because from where I’m standing, you were just looking for an excuse to ban me. Much like that mod who admitted they were just looking for any excuse to ban me from their comm because I annoyed them with my mere existence.
And fair’s fair, you can ban whoever you want, but if you do a) don’t act like this was some neutral decision and b) don’t spread disinfo that I “harassed your admins” because I justifiably insulted one of them, once, after they insulted me first and deleted all my non-rule breaking comments trying to defend our instance from disinfo.
Historically, ever since I upset hexbears by rejecting left-unity, 10 sounds about right. Just off the top of my head there’s the one about the removed post where I was banned. The one where they attacked unruffled. The one where they attacked my pfp. The one where they attacked me for posting a meme in /c/anarchism. The three you removed after my meme. I am not keeping links mate, this is not so important to me. But the constant hate trend is undeniable, let’s not kid ourselves.
How can I possibly comment about the rationale for removing a post in /c/piracy with a pseudonymous account?
As strange as it sounds, I commented inside hexbear threads because I still see some value in your opinions of us. I wouldn’t go to a fascist instance to defend myself (I would just defed them). But in order to have any chance to do that inside hexbear, I need an extremely hard shell around me because of the massive toxicity and bad faith I have to face, toxicity which gets thicker and thicker with every new thread about us allowing to fester. So I am compelled to defend my instance as myself when I see disinfo about how we’re “defending corporations” or some other typical uncharitable shit. In the last thread, I tried to do this as calmly as humanly possibly while one of your peeps threw ableism in my face, and even that wasn’t enough.
Likewise, you don’t go to defend yourselves in every reactionary comm because you don’t care about their opinions, but you came in this thread to do so, even using an alt to do so,for similar drive to myself. You intuitively understand why I do what I do.
Maybe not, it’s also not fair to expect us to act as the hexbear police. Your own community should be self-reporting as needed instead of turning a blind eye when it’s someone they love to hate.
After all this, I still don’t have any hate in my heart for hexbear and I’m probably the only reason we haven’t de-federated you. However I don’t think it’s true for you peeps and I think that’s sad that so many in your community are so hell bent on burning this bridge because they can’t tolerate me being against “left unity” or being cowered by the constant bullying.
Nor do I have hate for you or the /0 instance in fact in the vote post majority of the hexbear users feel the same way.
There are no downvotes and the culture of commenting dissent might make it feel like there are so many that want to burn the bridge but based on every instance wide federation check in more enjoy /0 and the users than dislike.
I used an alt because you are banned from hexbear so posts you make don’t show up, i guess I could’ve done it in matrix but decided to do it publically. Yeah I care about you and your opinion over every other instance (except the .ml ones, tankies gotta stick together) and despite what you may think didn’t want to ban you. Getting a
If you want to develop a culture where users feel safe to report direct messages you need to act on them regardless of who they are. I’ve banned many longtime hexbear users and moderators for the same thing.
I’ve removed all the posts regarding you and Unruffled that I was aware of and didn’t know that the pfp post was even about you, the primary account I use has avatars disabled. Reporting that post would have helped in getting it addressed. For what it’s worth the person you direct messaged actually removed one of the posts about you after it was reported.
Moderation can always improve, just as there were criticisms of the way that the meme in /c/piracy was handled there are criticisms to be made of how moderation is on hexbear communities. Just as there is hate and animosity towards /0 users and admins there is hate and animosity towards hexbear users and admins.
I said you were banned for dm harassment of a moderator, as that is what happened. Had you said the same thing in a comment the action would have likely been different. I apologize that you’ve received harassing direct messages and for the unreliable cross-instance reporting.
It is the responsibility of both moderator and user to cultivate a community. With active moderation on one hand and reporting on the other. I don’t think it’s fair to criticize moderation without doing your part.
I’m saddened that this ended up how it did and apologize for any stress you experienced.
I won’t be logging back onto this account for awhile, thanks for your previous comment and i wish you the best.
You are completely delusional if you think the hexbear admins have any interest in Lemmy beyond trolling and sophomoric information warfare. They very clearly do not care about engaging outside of their community in good faith.
as a Hexbear admin I endorse this statement, fantastic tagline thank you