For context the nintendo switch uses the nvida tega x1 processor.
Which has also been shiped on the nvidia shield. So for context the gaming console is using the equivent processor.
FOR A ANDROID STREAMING BOX
You must not have seen a lot of handhelds then. The Switch is the most powerful portable console ever… And honestly the first party games look and run pretty great for the price.
That does bring up the question of if the Steam Deck counts as a handheld console or not. Going off the wikipedia descriptions of game consoles and handheld consoles, I think it probably counts.
Yea because no one besides nintendo makes any portable consoles anymore. That’s like Apple saying “It’s the best iPhone we ever made”, every time they introduce a new one…
And it’s not even necessarily true, if you count the steamdeck as a console, which one might.
And still, the hardware of the switch was already obsolete when it launched. The Tegra X1‘s only redeeming quality is a comparatively high graphics performance compared to most off the shelf mobile SoC, but even it is slow compared to an iPhone 11 or heck a 250€ tablet with a Snapdragon 7 Gen 1 blows the switch out of the water, performance wise. You’ll even get more memory, more storage, etc.
That isn’t to say, the switch is bad. The performance is adequate for the typical Nintendo games but you can’t tell me the recent pokemon games or Zelda TodK run great, barely hitting 30fps. Which is not surprising, considering most midrange mobile phones are quicker by now and the switch is stuck with a graphics chip that most closely compares to a GTX 830M. A 5 generations and 10 years old graphics chip that wasn’t even fast when it was new.
And back to the steamdeck again: while it is a bit more expensive than a switch, it’s still a damn good deal, especially on the used market and even able to emulate switch games with better performance than the switch itself. And, unlike the switch, it is actually able to play modern games fairly well, while the switch either runs them at subpar quality or only via streaming.
The performance is adequate for the typical Nintendo games but you can’t tell me the recent pokemon games or Zelda TodK run great, barely hitting 30fps.
I think you might know this, but a hacked Switch can be overclocked (to both safe and unsafe values) and you can pretty much fix most of the bad performing games (you can’t fix ass broken games such as Batman Arkham Knight though).
So yeah, still many games will look and behave better somewhere else, but OC the Switch can lead you to good results, if you have any over there and wanna give it a try (newer models require hardmod, which sucks, but once this annoyance is sorted out, a new true era will begin for the Switch lol).
Oh yeah, since Nintendo fucked us over so much with the hardware (especially on the Oled version), just hack it to run much hotter than usual, great idea!!
Safe values will hardly make any significant temps increase, and still give you a better experience.
What is wrong with the OLED version BTW?
I have the original Switch and that thing can be hacked with a paperclip lol and after many years of usage and OC my battery and unit still performs well, according to some homebrew tools the battery is like at 90% of its lifespan, granted most of its usage is docked, but the “additional heat” is there yet.
Same old hardware, no real upgrades besides screen burn in and blacker blacks. The first switch was already outdated, about 5 years later and they give us the same tired hardware?? Bullshit cash grab imo
Two things: While I’d agree, that most PC-Based gaming handhelds are not consoles, I would disagree in case of the steam deck. Its software and especially user interface are purpose built for its controls and it works just like any other console, unless you don’t want it to.
Secondly, the commenter before did state that the switch had the worst graphics of any handheld. They did not specify handheld consoles. Steam Deck, Ayaneo, ROG Ally and co might or might not be consoles, depending on who you ask, but they most definitely are handheld gaming devices. And handheld gaming devices with better performance than the switch at that.
The various Gameboys, DS, Vita, … are all handhelds with much worse performances and graphics than the Switch. I’ve owned quite a few handheld consoles since the original Gameboy, and when I bought the Switch it had the best-looking games I had ever seen. Hence my response.
But yeah it’s been gathering dust since I got the SD :)
But seriously. Graphics are nice, but without good gameplay, i’m just watching a movie.
You can have all the fancy graphics you want, but they dont make games good. They just enhance games. If the game is boring, then all the graphics in the world won’t save it.
Spoken like someone who’s never played a Zelda game. That being said, probably just play it on an emulator unless you like the portability aspect
Edit:
But seriously, Nintendo is one of the only publishers that hasn’t ruined their games with live service micro transactions and battle passes, and one of the only publishers that hasn’t ruined their long standing IPs yet (Pokémon excluded, but that technically isn’t owned completely by Nintendo). I don’t exactly like Nintendo as a company but I have to respect that they haven’t been cash grabbing in the same way other publishers have.
I respect the not ruining their games with bullshit, but I still don’t like their games. I tried Zelda on both the switch and my pc, it sucked. I honestly hated it (and people in this comments don’t seem to accept that someone actually hates a game they like lmao). If you compare God of war and horizon zero dawn to Zelda and all Nintendos games, there is just no comparison at all. Sorry, but they suck.
That’s fair but you’re also phrasing it like the Zelda games are objectively worse than God of War or Horizon Zero Dawn. I played and enjoyed HZD (hoping to pick up forbidden west soon as well) but imo I had a much better time with tears of the kingdom and breath of the wild.
(and people in this comments don’t seem to accept that someone actually hates a game they like lmao). If you compare God of war and horizon zero dawn to Zelda and all Nintendos games, there is just no comparison at all. Sorry, but they suck.
You are criticizing people for not accepting differences in opinion, and then immediately after you claim those opinions are objectively wrong (“just no comparison”).
Just leaving a comment with “they suck” with no extra detail doesn’t really add anything to a discussion, especially when it isn’t exactly as one-sided as you claimed. After playing HZD, I can definitely say Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom’s environment felt better (to me) even if the story was half-baked in some aspects and the graphics were worse. The physics and world engine in BotW (and even moreso in ToTK) felt way more freeing because it is way more flexible. The building system in ToTK and the way the same rules applied any elemental effect (weapons, arrows, physical items in the map, etc.) made doing literally anything feel more fun because there is almost never just one solution to a problem. It really leans into the open-world aspect in ways that HZD never did. There’s something to be said about the way I could launch BotW/TotK, raid an enemy camp, do a shrine, and blowing either link or the enemies up spectacularly with a poorly-made contraption in the span of 15 minutes, while I would always feel like I got nothing done if I spent less than an hour in HZD.
Yup, that’s even worse. Old games are just garbage. You can be as sarcastic as you’d like, very few games were actually good, the rest are just trash. People love that shit just because of nostalgia, shit was/is horrendous. Lmfao
Nintendo never hid this. The specs showed a Tegra X1 when Switch was released. It was always public knowledge that Switch is an Ouya with an ecosystem and released games.
None of your post is new but it’s like you want to drum up outrage that a company used easily available hardware that didn’t require custom hardware like Playstation or Xbox (which SHARE nearly identical AMD chipsets!)
Why get mad at the hardware choice for an 8 year old console?
Because they wont make a new one that is long overdue!
And they shit on OSS projects like citra while not making anything new games that are worth playing.
I get old consoles are gonna use old chips, but thats a better reason to allow preservation of old games and the fact that nintendo still keeps porting games to this dead horse is unfathomable.
30fps is not playable for multible titles.
Especially for FPS shooters
They also hate there community! Many people have made fan projects or youtube videos playing old modifide nintendo games and nintendo hits them with a DMCA claim or a takedown.
It dumb you cant even buy any old games from them like mario kart double dash. So why does it matter that people do with a game that nintendo isnt profiting from!
And i dont understand why you even bother with bringing up my posting history, lots of people dont post on lemmy. Nor does the date of my last post add relivance to the topic at hand.
For context the nintendo switch uses the nvida tega x1 processor. Which has also been shiped on the nvidia shield. So for context the gaming console is using the equivent processor. FOR A ANDROID STREAMING BOX
for more details https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Tegra_X1
The switch has the worst graphics I’ve seen on a handheld. My kid has it and the games look like trash compared to my ps4, pc and even the steam deck.
You must not have seen a lot of handhelds then. The Switch is the most powerful portable console ever… And honestly the first party games look and run pretty great for the price.
That does bring up the question of if the Steam Deck counts as a handheld console or not. Going off the wikipedia descriptions of game consoles and handheld consoles, I think it probably counts.
Yeah I thought about it but IMO the Deck is a PC, as it runs a PC OS, games and software out of the box.
Completely wrong. You think it’s “powerful” because the graphics on its games are absolute trash. Most powerful. Lmao
Yea because no one besides nintendo makes any portable consoles anymore. That’s like Apple saying “It’s the best iPhone we ever made”, every time they introduce a new one…
And it’s not even necessarily true, if you count the steamdeck as a console, which one might.
And still, the hardware of the switch was already obsolete when it launched. The Tegra X1‘s only redeeming quality is a comparatively high graphics performance compared to most off the shelf mobile SoC, but even it is slow compared to an iPhone 11 or heck a 250€ tablet with a Snapdragon 7 Gen 1 blows the switch out of the water, performance wise. You’ll even get more memory, more storage, etc.
That isn’t to say, the switch is bad. The performance is adequate for the typical Nintendo games but you can’t tell me the recent pokemon games or Zelda TodK run great, barely hitting 30fps. Which is not surprising, considering most midrange mobile phones are quicker by now and the switch is stuck with a graphics chip that most closely compares to a GTX 830M. A 5 generations and 10 years old graphics chip that wasn’t even fast when it was new.
And back to the steamdeck again: while it is a bit more expensive than a switch, it’s still a damn good deal, especially on the used market and even able to emulate switch games with better performance than the switch itself. And, unlike the switch, it is actually able to play modern games fairly well, while the switch either runs them at subpar quality or only via streaming.
I think you might know this, but a hacked Switch can be overclocked (to both safe and unsafe values) and you can pretty much fix most of the bad performing games (you can’t fix ass broken games such as Batman Arkham Knight though).
So yeah, still many games will look and behave better somewhere else, but OC the Switch can lead you to good results, if you have any over there and wanna give it a try (newer models require hardmod, which sucks, but once this annoyance is sorted out, a new true era will begin for the Switch lol).
Oh yeah, since Nintendo fucked us over so much with the hardware (especially on the Oled version), just hack it to run much hotter than usual, great idea!!
Safe values will hardly make any significant temps increase, and still give you a better experience.
What is wrong with the OLED version BTW?
I have the original Switch and that thing can be hacked with a paperclip lol and after many years of usage and OC my battery and unit still performs well, according to some homebrew tools the battery is like at 90% of its lifespan, granted most of its usage is docked, but the “additional heat” is there yet.
Same old hardware, no real upgrades besides screen burn in and blacker blacks. The first switch was already outdated, about 5 years later and they give us the same tired hardware?? Bullshit cash grab imo
I agree with you in everything but in this:
Really bro?
I was responding to the claim that the switch “has the worst graphics on a handheld”, which is obviously wrong.
It does however have the worst graphics of a mainstream handheld console that is currently produced/sold.
Yeah if you consider the steam deck and co to be consoles, which I don’t.
Two things: While I’d agree, that most PC-Based gaming handhelds are not consoles, I would disagree in case of the steam deck. Its software and especially user interface are purpose built for its controls and it works just like any other console, unless you don’t want it to.
Secondly, the commenter before did state that the switch had the worst graphics of any handheld. They did not specify handheld consoles. Steam Deck, Ayaneo, ROG Ally and co might or might not be consoles, depending on who you ask, but they most definitely are handheld gaming devices. And handheld gaming devices with better performance than the switch at that.
The various Gameboys, DS, Vita, … are all handhelds with much worse performances and graphics than the Switch. I’ve owned quite a few handheld consoles since the original Gameboy, and when I bought the Switch it had the best-looking games I had ever seen. Hence my response.
But yeah it’s been gathering dust since I got the SD :)
Worse than the gameboy?
But seriously. Graphics are nice, but without good gameplay, i’m just watching a movie.
You can have all the fancy graphics you want, but they dont make games good. They just enhance games. If the game is boring, then all the graphics in the world won’t save it.
This is a crazy thing to say about a 7 year old handheld lmfaooooo
Exactly, it’s 7 years old, so my argument stands. The switch is trash because it is very old and has weak graphics.
Ah yes, because graphics is the only thing that defines how good games are
Their games are ass
Good troll.
I’m actually not trolling. I genuinely think their games are ass. Lol
FTFY!
Oh boy, I hope you don’t compare the NES graphics with a PS5!
@penquin
The NES has different release dates depending on whom you chose to believe. Still, everyone can agree it was released by 1985.
Compared to the Switch, the NES is decades older, and drastically more limited graphics.
And yet, the NES is amazing. So your arguement of “old and weak graphics” can go suck an egg.
It’s all about how fun the games are. Which is why PS5/PS4/PS3/PS2 and PS1 and all the XBoxs can all bow down to Nintendo.
Their games suck ass. Only fun game they have is Mario. That’s about it. The Playstation collection and Xbox run circles around the Nintendo garbage.
Spoken like someone who’s never played a Zelda game. That being said, probably just play it on an emulator unless you like the portability aspect
Edit: But seriously, Nintendo is one of the only publishers that hasn’t ruined their games with live service micro transactions and battle passes, and one of the only publishers that hasn’t ruined their long standing IPs yet (Pokémon excluded, but that technically isn’t owned completely by Nintendo). I don’t exactly like Nintendo as a company but I have to respect that they haven’t been cash grabbing in the same way other publishers have.
I respect the not ruining their games with bullshit, but I still don’t like their games. I tried Zelda on both the switch and my pc, it sucked. I honestly hated it (and people in this comments don’t seem to accept that someone actually hates a game they like lmao). If you compare God of war and horizon zero dawn to Zelda and all Nintendos games, there is just no comparison at all. Sorry, but they suck.
That’s fair but you’re also phrasing it like the Zelda games are objectively worse than God of War or Horizon Zero Dawn. I played and enjoyed HZD (hoping to pick up forbidden west soon as well) but imo I had a much better time with tears of the kingdom and breath of the wild.
You are criticizing people for not accepting differences in opinion, and then immediately after you claim those opinions are objectively wrong (“just no comparison”).
Just leaving a comment with “they suck” with no extra detail doesn’t really add anything to a discussion, especially when it isn’t exactly as one-sided as you claimed. After playing HZD, I can definitely say Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom’s environment felt better (to me) even if the story was half-baked in some aspects and the graphics were worse. The physics and world engine in BotW (and even moreso in ToTK) felt way more freeing because it is way more flexible. The building system in ToTK and the way the same rules applied any elemental effect (weapons, arrows, physical items in the map, etc.) made doing literally anything feel more fun because there is almost never just one solution to a problem. It really leans into the open-world aspect in ways that HZD never did. There’s something to be said about the way I could launch BotW/TotK, raid an enemy camp, do a shrine, and blowing either link or the enemies up spectacularly with a poorly-made contraption in the span of 15 minutes, while I would always feel like I got nothing done if I spent less than an hour in HZD.
Right? Like the Atari 2600. Absolutely HORRIBLE graphics!!!111!!11!!!111!!
Yup, that’s even worse. Old games are just garbage. You can be as sarcastic as you’d like, very few games were actually good, the rest are just trash. People love that shit just because of nostalgia, shit was/is horrendous. Lmfao
This has to be bait
That’s what I’m thinking.
Nintendo never hid this. The specs showed a Tegra X1 when Switch was released. It was always public knowledge that Switch is an Ouya with an ecosystem and released games.
None of your post is new but it’s like you want to drum up outrage that a company used easily available hardware that didn’t require custom hardware like Playstation or Xbox (which SHARE nearly identical AMD chipsets!)
Why get mad at the hardware choice for an 8 year old console?
Because they wont make a new one that is long overdue! And they shit on OSS projects like citra while not making anything new games that are worth playing.
I get old consoles are gonna use old chips, but thats a better reason to allow preservation of old games and the fact that nintendo still keeps porting games to this dead horse is unfathomable. 30fps is not playable for multible titles. Especially for FPS shooters
They also hate there community! Many people have made fan projects or youtube videos playing old modifide nintendo games and nintendo hits them with a DMCA claim or a takedown. It dumb you cant even buy any old games from them like mario kart double dash. So why does it matter that people do with a game that nintendo isnt profiting from!
And i dont understand why you even bother with bringing up my posting history, lots of people dont post on lemmy. Nor does the date of my last post add relivance to the topic at hand.