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Once the hive mind takes over and the downvote train starts it’s all but impossible to turn your post positive regardless of contrition. It’s unfortunate because it removes some incentive to publicly self-correct.
The public voting system is massively flawed when it comes to websites and sharing content. Since anyone who really wants visibility can just pay any number of services to boost their posts and comments, you have no idea what’s real and you have no idea what the general public actually supports.
For the average person who doesn’t think about what’s going on behind the scenes, it looks like an accurate representation of society’s interests and leanings. This is probably why we have a sharp uptick of far-right assholes and why so many young guys are turning towards sexist, racist figures online. The very same people who also proudly talk about how good they are at manipulating people. Hmmn.
This is why so many people edit their comments that are wrong and get corrected by someone else to say EDIT: CORRECTED BELOW or something, to prevent mindless downvotes from lazy people not reading the full chain of comments. Personally I think it’s worse like that but I can see why they do it if they care about karma.
I prefer people do that than either delete the comment, or edit the original. Otherwise the comment chain makes no sense, and people don’t get a chance to learn from the original incorrect comment.
You see, the problem is that you’re genuinely concerned by virtual points
His problem is that he’s wrong.
Transcendence is not giving a fuck and being confidently wrong.
Honestly though, part of it. Internet weirdos gonna internet weirdo. Source : am internet weirdo
Transcendence is not giving a fuck and being confidently wrong.
sometimes i like to just, say the wrong opinion, for no reason other than i think it’s funny. But also educational to watch how people react to things.
The word you’re looking for might be “trolling”. Which isn’t bad, by all means, as long as you recognize what’s happening
I didn’t downvote you ❤️
Anyone still check on Reddit? It’s getting pretty conservative over there.
I stay away from what all I call bummer topics because mentally, I just can’t take it anymore. I’m 38, and im already done with this life and the constant bullshit that the people in power do. So I just look at cute animals, video games, macro photography stuff, and stuff like that.
I mean compared to Lemmy most spaces are getting conservative
I believe the term you’re looking for is FOSS fundamentalist communists 😅
Heck, I often find Lemmy too conservative but its nothing as bad as reddit.
I have not seen one conservative take on Lemmy that wasn’t down voted into oblivion. Lemmy has got some libs and some actual leftists, but I imagine most of the conservative servers have defederated by now.
Go to literally any politcal subs here. Its just tons of genocide approval and conservative economics
On poorly moderated lemmy.world spaces, yes. Hate speech is insta-banned.
If I remember the ancient days correctly, you were supposed to downvote incorrect info so it wouldn’t appear at the top? You weren’t supposed to downvote if you disagreed but if it was wrong info? Am I hallucinating that?
You were supposed to upvote the best version of each argument/position or additional info and downvote the rest. Instead the site is the most popular opinion presented 6 different ways.
Those were still the rules when I left last year. People will upvote misinformation in the face of proof on there and here on lemmy.
If a platform puts arrow buttons on everything people say, and tell you that up means you get “points”, it’s a social metric. At this point if you’re trying to create a consensus metric, you’ll have to think of something else. It’s too ingrained in us.
This kind of information is all suppressed now, but early on when Facebook only had likes, there was a lot of discussion on how downvotes weren’t really needed. It was believed that people engaged more with content they enjoyed, and ignored unfavorable content.
This is wildly wrong. People obsessively engage with content they hate, to the extent that it probably makes more sense to only have a down vote button. Everyone knows that now, and the big sites uses psychological studies funded by casinos to gamify engagement, entirely in the pursuit of click-pennies.
What do votes mean? On lemmy it seems nothing. On other sites they mean revenue for the owners.
Except youtube, because dislikes were only used to call out scams and ads. The ad people got mad and now misinformation is easier to spread.
I wouldn’t say ‘only’. There were a lot of downvoted things that were just controversial.
I have never cared for human nature. It’s tedious at best and often ghastly. We should all concern ourselves much more with human nurture.
To put it plainly, we should not be letting corporations do research on how to manipulate our most base instincts on social media. That would have been a moderate solution a century ago. Now we would need a more radical approach, such as outlawing most forms of advertising content and social media manipulation. And even raising the topic probably makes me sound insane.
Lemmy has no total score anymore, so the up and down votes only matter in the topic layer. I think that’s the best solution rn. There’s no big incentive any longer to point farm.
but also no disincentive to troll.
On Lemmy there is disincentive to troll right? If you’re being too much of a troll you might get thrown out of your instance for making it look bad. Unless you selfhost of course. I’m not sure why botspam from selfhosted lemmy’s is not a bigger problem to be honest. You can deferate them but it’s easy to make new ones.
Also even when some are trolling, the up/down vote will not gain/lose attention for the troll. Trolls love attention.
The lack of karma means participation is there not whether it is a troll or regular.
Unless it is spam, almost no one is punished/rewarded for participating.
I believe you were “supposed” to upvote/downvote by whether the comment contributes to the discussion and community.
I finally managed to cop a permanent ban. I’ve been running around telling every dick head moderator what I think of them for the last year
I hated downvotes on Reddit because like merely 5 would silence all anti honeymoon’s sentiment. This place, your can have a million downvotes but the comment is still there so i just count em as engagement points. Someone felt strongly, that means i wrote something worth reading in a way
Also, not having a total karma count kinda makes up/down vote ratio on any individual comment or post irrelevant
That’s because -5 was the default threshold for a comment being automatically hidden on reddit. Most people never bothered to change the setting.
Ah i didn’t know it could be changed either
I can’t even see downvotes on here and I quite like it. If someone can’t be bothered to actually tell me why I’m wrong I don’t care much about their opinion anyway.
This depends on your client. A lot of them hide responses in the same way Reddit did.
> caring about downvotes
mfw when 🥱
This is clearly fake. If it had really happened at least one person would have called them a slur and downvoted their entire post history, then they would have been permabanned from 7 different subreddits.
i had the experience of someone recently threatening to kill me or something if i was doxxed, i then promptly told them to go doxx me.
I was very disappointed to learn that they didn’t doxx me.
You’re missing pulling something out of their comment history without any context.
Now-now it’s Reddit - he might have posted on one of the subs that people monitor with bots and silently autoban you from other subs for having ever participated in the offending sub. So he might very well have been Perma banned from 7 other subs for the comment, whether it was up voted, downvoted or totally ignored.
Who the fuck actually votes on posts? Regardless of the forum.
yeah thats most of the internet for you.
Unless you’re shitposting, or actually on a good topic, it’s an absolute clusterfuck of a place.
If you are attached to whether you’re attracting downvotes or upvotes you are setting yourself for disappointment for no reason. Just say your thing.
I agree with you 100%. Have a downvote.
I agree 100%. It just sucks when I go out of my way to post a thoughtfully-worded comment so I can positively contribute to Lemmy, only to have someone nitpick my comment and reply with an “Um, aktshually” and a downvote. The downvote brigading on Lemmy seems even more punitive than it was on Reddit; of course this varies largely depending on the post’s subject matter and instance.
This happens on Lemmy as well.
Source?
Trust me, bro
It happened to me when I mistakenly said that people with “ski” endings to their surname are Jewish Poles when it in fact apparently only means they have Polish ancestry and nothing about their religion lol
It does for sure, but not as often in my experience. Reddit is just entirely full of teenagers now that think the downvote button is a dislike button
Better yet: on Lemmy it doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong, support yourself with facts or have someone else do it, admit mistake or not…if what you post isn’t in alignment with the overall masses, it’s
jaildownvotes.Make a comment about something other than beans or jeans?
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
right to jail
You’d think this would only happen on political subjects. But nope, got downvoted today for commenting on Godzilla buoyancy.
Well, is he buoyant or not?
Apparently. But the discussion was about how he achieves his buoyancy. But if you’d like to downvote my responses, feel free to pick any comment from my recent history.
Should have been lazy like me and just posted a picture of a duck. Lol
I thought your comments were interesting.
🙏 Bless!
Imma upvote just to spite you then
I thought he had really long expandable legs.
Thats something entirely different though. Using votes to show disagreement/agreement makes sense as a tool of democratic communication. This goes for comments that contain statements.
OP describes a “jail” type of usage, where there is nothing to disagree but people downvote amyways (to feel superior maybe), wich sucks cause it reads like hate
The default lemmy client allows hiding all votes though. And it doesn’t seem like the comments are sorted by their votes.
or you’re just buried in bullshit copypasta from lemmygrad
This getting downvoted 🤌
Yep, it’s one of the most annoying thing about the site.
Yeah, good thing Lemmy is so much… better…
It’s definitely something
Of all the entities that exist on the internet, this is by far one y them.
I think it is a little bit. People who own up and admit to their mistake shouldn’t be downvoted. Everyone makes mistakes, but it’s not always easy to admit. That’s why sharing sources is important too
It’s always the insecure people that give a shit about down votes.
Thanks, u/cumskin_genocide
What’s wrong with my username?
