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      But be careful not to wreck your supportive human relationships because you didn’t therapy good enough.

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      Also so many people have decided that emotional connections outside of a relationship are cheating.
      To that i say GFY.

      Humans are emotional beings that have evolved with the help of community. isolating yourself for a partner is self harm. it is normal, acceptable, and expected to have extra-relationship emotional connections with people of all genders.

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        probably refers to the elimination of ‘third places’ a place besides home and work where people gather to socialize. About the only place left we can go without the expectation of spending money is a public library, and libraries are amazing but they’re not always the best socializing spot. A major tenet of our capitalist system is separating us from things that are free and natural. If we isolate everyone in their own homes, or pods or what have you, then people can be charged for the services they use to connect to one another. Of course one may rebut that these services are usually free, to which I’d respond with the old adage “If it’s free, you’re the product and not the customer.”

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          Third spaces are one part, but honestly the biggest part is literally not having time to spend with people outside of work.

          edit: biggest part for me. my friends are mostly able to host at our own houses, and there are low cost (or free) third spaces we have found/created.

          if you want a third space, you can actually make your own! kind of. reach out to libraries, local left-leaning businesses, and they might let you set up a weekly salon/hangout kind of thing. community activism!

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            Not just libraries and businesses, but also religious facilities, clubs with a focus on social interactions, etc. Oftentimes they can provide rooms.

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          I take a ferry pretty much every day. 30 minute ride. Before cellphones, it was common to see people having great conversations with strangers. I’d have a good chat at least once a week. These days it’s quiet all the time. Unless people come on together, they ignore everyone else, even if they aren’t using a phone themselves. People have been trained to spend their time looking at the screens. Any place is a third space if you talk to people.

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            And risk hearing the opinion of a trump supporter? Just kidding. Really though, I hate meeting strangers and knowing there’s a like a 1/3 chance they believe some pretty hateful stuff.

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              Most of the hateful stuff comes from social isolation, lack of emotional support and toxic relationships. A healthy social life could have prevented many of those people to radicalize into the idiots the are now.

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              That’s one of Trump’s biggest strengths.

              20 years ago, people would call other folks on really terrible opinions, so the Right had to use dog whistles like ‘law and order’ when they meant ‘string them up.’

              If MAGoos knew that they’ll have to engage randomly with folks throughout the day, they’d automatically rein in the crazy.

              While you’re on your phone looking at cat videos they’re feeding each other’s hatred.

              Look at it this way; back in 2002 era folks were making fun of the overly decorated flag cars some ‘patriots’ were driving.

              A vehicle done up full Trump style, with full size flags and a dozen signs, would have been a laughing stock.

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            The highest aspiration for capitalism is to have “passive income” to be a gatekeeper, find some little loop hole to exploit, socialize the costs & privatize the profits

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          I guess it might depend a bit on where you live. In the city I live there’s free social events in many different places, sometimes in stores, other times in religious buildings or clubs (organizations). Since you mentioned libraries, I rememberfree DND sessions are hosted at a local library. Like others have mentioned sometimes people just need to contact such places and ask if they can organize events there. Using existing connections can help but is probably not a requirement.

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          Man if I get started saying money ruins everything I’d never get the chance to say anything else

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      I worry some that therapy has gotten into an industry where more people are interested in making profit than providing quality of care which has made a market where therapy can serve as a kind of yes man market as well. I definitely don’t mean to belittle the benefit of therapy, but I know plenty of people who have shopped around therapists until they got one who said what they had already decided they wanted to hear as opposed to looking for a partner to work through specific issues with.

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      “I’d like to give you genuine and forceful advice, but I also don’t want to get sued for poor decisions so I’ll just ask a bunch of vague philosophical questions about your life. Get ready to say ‘I dunno, I guess.’ and fill a check for $300.”

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        The difference between a therapist and a stripper as far as giving you their emotional support, is that if a therapist fucks up and you harm yourself, the therapist can lose their job. If the stripper fucks up and you harm yourself, the stripper can still strip.

        Strippers don’t have the accountability factors that therapists do.

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      The shrink is a she, the whore uses both he and she pronouns in the song. The pronouns are even bolded in the lyrics sheet and quite noticable in the song.

      Singer is bisexual and while he was supportive of generally challenging gender norms, sometimes his trans comments were what would be considered transphobic nowadays. See:

      https://genius.com/Green-day-android-lyrics

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh0Mozl_ZTo

      And

      https://genius.com/Green-day-king-for-a-day-lyrics

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        As a kid who had no understanding or awareness of anything that challenged gender norms, I was confused about the mixed pronouns. Then I forgot about that song. Some twenty years later, this mystery was addressed. Thank you for the information.

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          Yeah I was in elementary school when dookie came out so I can’t say I was particularly enlightened either, but it stuck with me.

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        Interesting, I never pictured the character in Android as a trans person, honestly what I had in mind was more of a mentally unwell, possibly unhoused, person that perhaps had no other choice but to wear woman’s shies. Given, all of that in today’s lens is very problematic, but the song is 33 years old after all and I didn’t really have an understanding of trans people when I first heard it more than 20 years ago. Though I did pretty clearly understand the meaning of the line in basketcase.

        Idk, maybe it’s because I grew up with them and Billie Joe was a queer idol for me growing up, but king for a day never struck me as demeaning towards people who cross dress or people who are trans either. Just a (probably autobiographical) song about breaking gender norms.

        I am almost as old as Android and probably my views are getting outdated so feel free to ignore my ramblings. Just interesting to see how the world has changed even from when I was little confused kid. (Now I’m a big confused kid)

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          I honestly think it’s inclusive language for the time. I just don’t think you’d let far with using it nowadays.

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          Yeah, I read that as the homeless person is wearing woman’s shoes and is crazy, not that he’s being judged as crazy for wearing woman’s shoes. Nothing in android’s lyrics struck me as transphobic.

          In king for a day I see homophobia in general represented by the dad character and the implication that the “guys” will do something bad - but that’s the point, isn’t it? To condemn the homophobia?

          Idk, I think that when it comes to interpretation there is no winning when up against someone with an agenda. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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            I don’t really have an agenda, as I’m neither trans, queer, or particularly in contact with the community except by Lemmy. I just think the core ideas are kind of old tropes about trans sex workers and crazy homeless men in drag who can’t fit into society (the idea being if you’re not an android you might be doomed).

            You can say that I’m unfairly making trans people to be over sensitive if you want.

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        It could also be that the prostitute is male and telling the singer to quit whining because their life is so boring that it’s probably even bringing down their therapist.

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          Yeah some people think it’s an unmentioned girlfriend too, but it doesn’t really fit the lyric structure. It’s jarring enough that it has to be telling you some sort of taboo subtext.

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        I always thought the sung lyrics were “I went to a whore who said my life’s a bore”

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      this was my take as well.

      a therapist who’s disengaged, or has no training beyond basic person-centred therapy skills

      a stripper who could be doing other things if they wanted (not that they should or need to)

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    “She said to quit my whining cause it’s bringing her down”

    — Actual story of the Greenday song

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    I’ve mentioned this elsewhere, but chatgpt makes a pretty good therapist. It’s literally incapable of judging you.