Google 1970s Iran vs now. It’s an interesting contrast of how quickly societies can change; and some would argue, not towards the future but backwards.

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    The photo above was taken while Iran had a government that was friendly to the US.

    The present day oppression of women is being done by the people that overthrew the US backed government. People chanting “Death to America” should be a clue that the oppressive government there today may not be on friendly terms with the US.

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      Missing from the photo are the millions of people being tortured by Saavik while the rich elites got to live like in the picture in Tehran. The US backed a reign of terror that led the people to a revolution and actually electing this current shitty government. The US overthrew democracy in Iran in 1953 to establish a king because they dared to want to nationalize the oil company and fund their own country and are very much responsible for the bad material conditions in Iran today.

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        None of that changes the fact that the present day Iranian government is oppressing women and supports the Triple-H of terrorism (Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis) which has resulted in a huge amount of suffering.

        I like history and all but there’s not much use to it if we don’t learn anything from it. Using history as an excuse for present day bad actors doesn’t achieve any positive result. If the bad actions of the US had bad repercussions later, what should we assume the bad actions by Iran today will have in the future?

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          The lesson is obviously that imperialism is bad and don’t do it or else you get terrorism groups. The terrorist groups that you name are basically all reactions against foreign influence in their lands, including the US, Zionism, and Saudi Arabia. Those places deserve to have national liberation, but we can’t stop interfering over there for some reason (*cough*oilandIsrael*cough*)

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          No one, certainly not me are making excuses for the Iranian government. I am a literal refugee and this is a history community. The photo title has an obvious bias to it as if the 70s were a time that they should return to and also suggests most women in Iran were living like this in the 70s. Neither are true. There are also women today who dress like this in Iran and don’t wear Hijabs, it isn’t as strict as the media makes it seem and rich people don’t follow laws anywhere in the world.

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            Saying “it’s all the fault of the US” is making excuses.

            Mahsa Amini was born 22 years after the Iranian Revolution, 47 years after the US backed coup.

            Mahsa Amini was beaten to death 44 years after the Iranian Revolution, 69 years after the US backed coup.

            So how many more years need to go by before we can say “Iran is fucked up because they beat women to death for not wearing a Hijab” without someone making the excuse that “It’s not their fault because the US did some bad shit X years ago”? Like what the value for X here? 100 years before Iranians are responsible for their own actions without it being in some degree the fault of the US?

            I think a country can’t have a lot of progress if it’s defaulting to scapegoating another country for all of their problems. Japan was literally nuked by the US and they don’t do that kind of shit. What’s done is done and wallowing in the past doesn’t move anything forward.

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              Korryn Gaines was killed in her home with her five-year-old son in her arms. They had arrived at her home with a failure-to-appear warrant from a traffic violation.

              Atatiana Jefferson was killed in her home while playing video games with her eight-year-old nephew. Police had entered her property concealed and unannounced on a wellness chec

              Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old emergency medical technician, was killed when police mistakenly entered her home in the middle of the night on a no-knock warrant while searching for a suspect who had already been detained.

              India Kager, a post office worker and Navy veteran, was killed by the police with her four-month-old child in the backseat.

              Tanisha Anderson was killed after her family called for assistance when she was in a mental health crisis. A policeman performed a “takedown” move on her, placing his knee on her back and handcuffing her as she lay face-down on the pavement.

              Michelle Cusseaux was shot in the heart when police arrived at her house for a mental wellness check and saw her holding a hammer. She had been changing her locks.

              Kayla Moore in her own bedroom, suffocating her to death and calling her transphobic slurs while refusing to perform CPR. Her last words were “I can’t breathe.”

              You are just blabbering at me nonsense, this is a fucking history community. I’m sorry I offended your American sensibilities. Thank you for repeating US propaganda at me. Maybe instead of focusing on Iran and their problems you should take a look at yourself and how many many people are gunned down every single day by government agents. Of course there are problems in Iran, that doesn’t remove the role of US imperialism in creating these problems.

              The material conditions of today would not be this way if your fucking shithole country didn’t steal all of our fucking oil for most of our history while funding Islamic fundamentalism around the world to fight the godless commies only to have it come back and bite you in your fucking ass. Now Iran and those women have to pay for it. You are picking up tragedies in the news and totally ignoring the history, in a history community, because you feel the need to defend US foreign policy on your free time. Leave me out of it. Both Iran and the US are evil countries filled with propagandized idiots like yourself.