I believe this is the truth of the matter. This is what happened with Rogan as well. He used to be somewhat centrist but left-leaning and open-minded. During the COVID era his audience exploded after he started inviting right-wing guests and conspiracy theorists onto the show, and the rapid shift toward that type of content was blatant thereafter. That shit went downhill fast. It was that and the Spotify money that ultimately corrupted him. But maybe he was a fucking dick all along. Hard to recall.
Rogan is more of a general conservative asshole. And very gullible. Musk is very definitely a queer-hating bigot and always has been. He just used to hide those beliefs.
You don’t just become bigoted against queer people.
You don’t just become bigoted against queer people.
im pretty sure you can. It’s not like you’re born with the gene that makes you hate gay people or something. There was that recent couple that came out denouncing the republican party due to their trans kid. queer people were once completely socially unacceptable, now they’re like, pretty socially acceptable. My guess is that musk wasn’t entirely supportive of it before, or just wasn’t very outspoken about it, or that it was actually a much longer more gradual change than it feels like.
Also let’s be honest, if someone offered either one of us a billion dollars for saying that we hate gay people, we’d take the money and run.
You really need to read the interview with his daughter I posted elsewhere in the thread. He didn’t accept that she was gay when he thought she was his son and gay and he doesn’t accept that she’s a woman now.
Wilson said that, when she was a child, Musk would harass her for exhibiting feminine traits and pressure her to appear more masculine, including by pushing her to deepen her voice as early as elementary school.
“I was in fourth grade. We went on this road trip that I didn’t know was actually just an advertisement for one of the cars — I don’t remember which one — and he was constantly yelling at me viciously because my voice was too high,” she said. “It was cruel.”
This is his own daughter talking about his hate for her because she’s queer. And that was before she transitioned. He thought she was gay. That was bad enough to him.
Yeah, I felt really bad for her, but she has come out on top. She’s clearly a strong, independent woman and a smart one too considering she’s studying multiple languages in college. Massive respect to her for standing up to her dad. She could have kept her mouth shut a long time ago and just hoped he gave her some inheritance money, but she has consistently refused to put up with his bullshit on a more private level- we know that she intentionally had it entered into the court record that she disowned him when she legally changed her name even though it wasn’t relevant to the situation (she just wanted an official legal record)- and now that he’s been just blatantly lying about her, she’s making it public.
I really admire her bravery in this whole situation. I’m guessing her mother (who she spent about 90% of her being parented time with) was not the colossal piece of shit her father is.
I presume there’s potentially a lot of different drivers of gender identity. I wouldn’t be surprised if early childhood abusive pressure to be a “certain brand of man, right now” could be a driver to a feminine gender identity in someone that otherwise might have had a masculine gender identity. Of the trans people who have told me their personal background, many had a somewhat traumatic relationship with a parent in childhood, with a common theme of a parent to be abusive to drive them to be more like a fully grown person while still in elementary school.
It’s not a given and it’s not the only way it works, but I think it is in the realm of possibility that Elon’s bad parenting created the very outcome he sought to suppress.
There are physiological differences in the brain structure. Now obviously that needs more research, and it doesn’t speak to nature vs nurture- I mean neuroplasticity is a crazy and wonderful thing, but I hesitate to agree that a traumatic parental relationship causes gender dysphoria.
To me, it smacks of times gone by that homosexuality was included in the DSM- a disorder to be “cured”. Gender dysphoria is a widely recognized disorder, with a known cure- gender affirming care. And one doesn’t need to experience dysphoria to be trans.
I suspect it’s a complex situation with multiple paths to get there. As it states in that paper “Further research is required”. Based on the paper, I’m not even sure they really had a comprehensive sampling, since it’s a meta-analysis and the source material is generally pretty limited. For example: “It is however noted that the small sample size (n=17) provides only weak evidence to support the finding and as such the results should be taken with caution.”
Just like there are multiple paths to having different vision (genetics, developmental anomalies, illness, environmental, trauma), I suspect there’s enough nuance in gender identity for there to be multiple paths there as well.
Are you cis? If so, at what point did you develop an identity aligning to your assigned gender at birth? Some trans folks know from very young, others just feel that something is wrong.
That, but also when you’re that fucking wealthy no one is going to tell you you’re wrong because the only people around you are there for financial reasons.
I honestly think if be just had one decent friend, an actual friend, he be a (possibly) different person.
Def not apologizing or excusing this fuck wad but in my experience, it only takes another view point from the heart to change ideals.
It’s all PR b******* even the hate. these sociopaths just appeal to the people that will make them the most money.
I believe this is the truth of the matter. This is what happened with Rogan as well. He used to be somewhat centrist but left-leaning and open-minded. During the COVID era his audience exploded after he started inviting right-wing guests and conspiracy theorists onto the show, and the rapid shift toward that type of content was blatant thereafter. That shit went downhill fast. It was that and the Spotify money that ultimately corrupted him. But maybe he was a fucking dick all along. Hard to recall.
Rogan is more of a general conservative asshole. And very gullible. Musk is very definitely a queer-hating bigot and always has been. He just used to hide those beliefs.
You don’t just become bigoted against queer people.
Sure they do. Being a bigot is not something you are born with. It’s not inherited. It’s something learned. You become a bigot.
But it’s not an instantaneous thing, especially not when you’re an adult. A switch isn’t flipped.
im pretty sure you can. It’s not like you’re born with the gene that makes you hate gay people or something. There was that recent couple that came out denouncing the republican party due to their trans kid. queer people were once completely socially unacceptable, now they’re like, pretty socially acceptable. My guess is that musk wasn’t entirely supportive of it before, or just wasn’t very outspoken about it, or that it was actually a much longer more gradual change than it feels like.
Also let’s be honest, if someone offered either one of us a billion dollars for saying that we hate gay people, we’d take the money and run.
You really need to read the interview with his daughter I posted elsewhere in the thread. He didn’t accept that she was gay when he thought she was his son and gay and he doesn’t accept that she’s a woman now.
Don’t mind me just corrupting the children you are trying to protect.
Speech to text constantly does me dirty
You can turn that off…i honestly can’t remember how but I had the same problem. I want to say its in keyboard settings.
The hate is definitely not bullshit.
This is his own daughter talking about his hate for her because she’s queer. And that was before she transitioned. He thought she was gay. That was bad enough to him.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665
im pretty sure musk was a cunt before this also, it just wasnt public, would check out from his fathers (probably) slave labor mines.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s had a public image obsession for some time now.
Damn, did he want her to sound like Elizabeth Holmes?
He wanted her to sound like his “son.” Because he can’t accept that she is a woman.
That’s so sad.
Yeah, I felt really bad for her, but she has come out on top. She’s clearly a strong, independent woman and a smart one too considering she’s studying multiple languages in college. Massive respect to her for standing up to her dad. She could have kept her mouth shut a long time ago and just hoped he gave her some inheritance money, but she has consistently refused to put up with his bullshit on a more private level- we know that she intentionally had it entered into the court record that she disowned him when she legally changed her name even though it wasn’t relevant to the situation (she just wanted an official legal record)- and now that he’s been just blatantly lying about her, she’s making it public.
I really admire her bravery in this whole situation. I’m guessing her mother (who she spent about 90% of her being parented time with) was not the colossal piece of shit her father is.
That makes me glad. To see a happy “ending” coming from that.
Me too. I think she’ll go far in life. She deserves to after the shit she had to put up with.
Maybe if he wasn’t yelling at her all the time, she would have been comfortable with the gender he wanted her to be in the first place.
I don’t think it works like that my friend. Unless you mean she would have been ok with suppressing herself to make him happy.
I presume there’s potentially a lot of different drivers of gender identity. I wouldn’t be surprised if early childhood abusive pressure to be a “certain brand of man, right now” could be a driver to a feminine gender identity in someone that otherwise might have had a masculine gender identity. Of the trans people who have told me their personal background, many had a somewhat traumatic relationship with a parent in childhood, with a common theme of a parent to be abusive to drive them to be more like a fully grown person while still in elementary school.
It’s not a given and it’s not the only way it works, but I think it is in the realm of possibility that Elon’s bad parenting created the very outcome he sought to suppress.
There are physiological differences in the brain structure. Now obviously that needs more research, and it doesn’t speak to nature vs nurture- I mean neuroplasticity is a crazy and wonderful thing, but I hesitate to agree that a traumatic parental relationship causes gender dysphoria.
To me, it smacks of times gone by that homosexuality was included in the DSM- a disorder to be “cured”. Gender dysphoria is a widely recognized disorder, with a known cure- gender affirming care. And one doesn’t need to experience dysphoria to be trans.
I suspect it’s a complex situation with multiple paths to get there. As it states in that paper “Further research is required”. Based on the paper, I’m not even sure they really had a comprehensive sampling, since it’s a meta-analysis and the source material is generally pretty limited. For example: “It is however noted that the small sample size (n=17) provides only weak evidence to support the finding and as such the results should be taken with caution.”
Just like there are multiple paths to having different vision (genetics, developmental anomalies, illness, environmental, trauma), I suspect there’s enough nuance in gender identity for there to be multiple paths there as well.
Do you know at what point in human development a person develops a gender identity?
Are you cis? If so, at what point did you develop an identity aligning to your assigned gender at birth? Some trans folks know from very young, others just feel that something is wrong.
So you’re saying Elon wanted his child to transition away from her natural gender presentation. Ironic.
Yeah fair, plenty of the hate is real. But I’m willing to bet a lot of the hate is just so their rich friends will like them.
That, but also when you’re that fucking wealthy no one is going to tell you you’re wrong because the only people around you are there for financial reasons.
I honestly think if be just had one decent friend, an actual friend, he be a (possibly) different person.
Def not apologizing or excusing this fuck wad but in my experience, it only takes another view point from the heart to change ideals.