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Yeah, right… it had absolutely nothing to do with the batshit-insane economic and social blundering of the CPSU.
Nothing at all.
It was literally the fastest growing economic system of all time. It went from wooden hand-drawn plows to spaceflight in a single generation, while defeating the most devastating invasion in human history. The nation once called “the India of Europe” became the first interplanetary civilization.
Then, after the entire collective might of the capitalist world had slaughtered dozens of millions of the bravest and most committed communists, it started falling apart because liberals took over. It was dissolved illegally, against the wishes of 70% of the population that voted in a referendum to keep the Union, in a bloody coup that killed over 2000 people fighting against its destruction. By the end of the 90s there had been 7-10 million excess deaths above the death rate of the 80s in Russia alone, making it one of the worst non-war human-caused humanitarian disasters of all time.
In short, the people of the USSR were revolutionaries and heroes, whereas you are a grotty little chauvinist from the imperial core who doesn’t want to improve the world, because if you did you would want to win, and if you wanted to win you would read history, and if you read history you would come to the same conclusion.
Yeah… I think Marxism-Leninism is the only ideology that dictates that you do colonialism against yourself.
Lol! Been overdoing the sci-fi a bit, tankie?
Just to clarify… you are not talking about the ones murdered on Stalin’s orders, right?
Stop fooling yourself, tankie - the fact that a large majority of the Soviet population saw no need to dismember the Union doesn’t mean they also wanted your faux-socialism.
Oh, really? So where did those liberals come from, then?
You mean… unlike you?
Motherfucker okay this is where I get heated.
You have never read any anti-colonial theory in your life and it shows. Fucking cracker “anarchists” I swear to god.
Yes the USSR was the first country to land a probe on a moon that wasn’t ours.
Source?
Counterrevolutionaries will be something we have to contend with until we abolish capitalism globally.
You want to lose?
It’s colonialism when you teach peasants how to read and give them telegraph poles and combine harvesters. You are a fucking stupid historically illiterate imperial core roleplayer piece of shit, the USSR was the first anticolonial nation in history, they fought on the morally correct side of nearly every anticolonial struggle in the world in the 20th century. As just even a single example, in 1961, the USSR used its veto powers in the UN to stop a forced ceasefire, allowing the Indians to invade and liberate the Portugese-held island of Goa, literally kicking out colonialists.
But it’s interesting that you seem to agree with the representative of Portugal that the USSR has ‘shamed the whole of mankind’.
The USSR created the first artifical satellite, put the first man in space, put the first woman in space, conducted the first spacewalk, landed the first spacecraft on the moon, landed the first spacecraft on another planet (Venus), built the first space station and landed the first spacecraft on Mars. The first black man in space was an Afro-Cuban man who went on in a Soviet rocket. Eight of the first ten nationalities in space were from the ‘eastern block’. ‘Astronaut Barbie’ was released by Mattel two years after the first Soviet woman went to space, and twenty years BEFORE the first US woman would.
Anyway I’m tired of reading your overwrought self-righteous self-important reddit liberal style of argumentation, all form and no substance, so just feel free to go read a book (assuming that’s something you’re actually capable of) and argue with that instead.
Are we talking about the peasants who democratically rejected your bolshevik clergy over and over again through the soviets back in 1919? Those peasants?
Oh, look… a reactionary cosplaying as a leftst is calling others “imperialist.”
Yawn, tankie.
LOOOL! Tell it to the Finns, the Ukrainians and the Poles, tankie. I can almost hear their laughter all the way from over here.
And the US used it’s military power to end Imperial Japan - I guess that makes the US “anit-colonial” now, too?
And? Are you perhaps suffering from some kind of insecurity, tankie?
Which one, tankie? This one?
The millions and millions of peasants and workers who formed the absolutely committed base of the communist party yes. Here’s a question for you: HOW did the Bolsheviks gain power? When the Tsarist regime was crushing and oppressing the workers, and after the February revolution when the bourgeoise transitional state was gearing up for another round of WW1, HOW did the Bolsheviks come out on top? Was there a magic crown they grabbed to take control of the revolution? Did they use communist mind control? So “the peasants … democratically rejected [the] bolshevik clergy [sic] over and over again through the soviets back in 1919” [1] but the bolsheviks just overruled them… how?
This is the problem with a liberal-idealist understanding of the world which is not based in material reality, you don’t think about things like that. The bolsheviks won BECAUSE they had the full, furious support of dozens of millions of workers and peasants, without which they could not possibly have defeated the White army or constructed a socialist state. The Soviet people worked tirelessly to build a society of technological wonders as well as the military power needed to defend it against a world of capitalist enemies. Enemies like the Polish fascists who invaded the USSR in 1921, annexing a massive region that was (and is today) part of Belarus and Ukraine. Do you think retaking these areas (and saving their populations from the advancing Nazis) was wrong of the USSR? Do you think these territories should be part of Poland today? Should Belarus and western Ukraine be re-annexed to the Polish state, which held them for less than twenty years?
Six million Ukrainians fought in the Red Army in WW2, making up 23% of the Soviet Union’s entire armed forces. The insignificant handful of traitorous fascist worms who sabotaged their own nation, collaborated with the Nazis and gleefully massacred Jews (and Poles!!) do not represent the Ukrainian people. This is what the ‘Ukrainian Nationalists’ have to say about their time ‘resisiting the communists’:
And here a photo of a Jewish woman being chased by men and youth armed with clubs during the Lviv pogroms, 1941, Ukraine (CW: violence)
Which is the kind of thing the Red Army put a stop to.
Here I agree with Rosa Luxemburg: Granting Finland independence and not supporting the morally correct side in its civil war was objectively a mistake. The Red Army should have marched on Helsinki in 1918 but Lenin and the bolsheviks were too committed to the policy of the right of nations to self-determination, so they let it be taken over by nationalists who would go on to aid the Nazis in the siege of Leningrad that killed 1.5 million people. Don’t look up the insignia used by the Finnish air force until 2020.
Literally yes, that was an anti-colonial act, except that they immediately replaced Japanese imperialism in the eastern Pacific with US imperialism. Also what really drove the Japanese to surrender was the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. The Japanese had hoped the USSR would act as a neutral arbiter for a conditional truce between them and the US, but when it was clear the USSR was going to roll up the fascists wherever they found them, the Japanese unconditionally surrendered to the US specifically to avoid the possibility of a communist takeover. The US then immediately put Japanese military leaders (i.e. war criminals) to work against the communists in the Phillipines, Korea, Vietnam and everywhere else in South-East Asia. Actions you presumably support, as those war criminals were deployed first and foremost against the worst of all liberal boogeymen, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Did you know the US invasion killed around 20% of the population of the Korean peninsula?
Let me know when an anarchist gets to space.
Books:
Citation needed ↩︎
Yes, you creepshow excuse for a leftist, there was - it’s called a soviet. You know… the democratic coucnils through which the vast majority of Russians democratically rejected your Bolshie heroes?
The Bolshevik counter-revolution is now mere historical record, tankie. None of your shitty walls-of-text can change that.
Oh, look… a reactionary cosplaying as a leftist is calling me a liberal again.
Lemme guess… Lenin told you that in one of your fantasies while you were jerking off, right?
What socialist state, tankie?
You mean when they went to war and reconquered the territory the Bolsheviks invaded in 1940?
Until 2020? Lol!
I guess that also means you don’t actually know the history of that symbol, do you?
Holy crap, tankie… you are full of it.
No, tankie… waging wars against imperialist rivals doesn’t make you “anti-imperialist.”
Again with the tankie insecurity. What’s the matter, tankie? Still trying to “catch up” with western imperialism, are we?
Yeah… that excuses all the slave labour, eh tankie?
God this is exhausting to even look at. I bet you are exactly this annoying in real life.
Anyway you still haven’t said anything or made a single point, so I’m just going to spam cool communist images at you.
That pic of anarchists on the Berlin wall and the added context goes hard.
Lmao, someone shares historical facts and explains the material conditions of the world during the rise of the Soviet Union and you just lash out with no factual information, and decide to just complain about “walls of text” when they’re explaining things to you.
You are not looking for a discussion. You are not trying to improve and sharpen your understanding of the world or your rhetorical skills. You’re just throwing a tantrum when people try to explain ideas to you that don’t conform to your worldview.
And that’s exactly what makes you a reactionary. That’s the main difference between our two instances: We actually care about discussing things and educating people while you act like children refusing to eat the veggies on your plate. I’d say the moniker “anarkiddie” is accurate, but I don’t acknowledge people like you as anarchists.