During his "Fighting Oligarchy" rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) was informed that President Trump had launched strikes on Iran.Fuel your...
  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 days ago

    If your countries leader is breaking g international laws then its your responsibility to not obey those orders. The military is willing to follow illegal orders and saying it was illegal post facto means and had meant jack fucking shit. If its a war crime trust it like one and denounce the legitimacy of the Trump presidency. It doesn’t matter if youre technically right if no one enforces the rules. It does t matter if something is wrong if you go along eith it anyway.

  • Wheaties [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    3 days ago

    Hearing the crowd start chanting “No More War” almost immediately was pretty impressive.

    Also, its interesting that only Bernie and AOC learned the lesson from Trump during the Biden years; just keep doing rallies. Will it work for them? I dunno. Maybe its the kind of thing only a TV star like Trump can do. Maybe it works.

    • TheBroodian [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 days ago

      Work for them? What is their success condition? Bernie appears to me to be exactly where he intends to be, meaning, he doesn’t really seem to aspire to any greater office. He didn’t even grumble about his twice stolen and sabotage elections.

      • Wheaties [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        3 days ago

        That’s where it probably won’t work. Trump had a clear pitch; ‘vote me president’. Bernie and AOC are asking for… ??? There’s some benefit to keeping more leftish talking points fresh and in the public mind, but I really don’t know if this can translate to any success, say, in the Dem nominee.

    • HamManBad [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      3 days ago

      Shit, I’m not watching this for the old man, I’m here for the crowd. That “no more war” chant was from the heart, one of the most full chested chants I’ve ever heard. That gives me hope for the future

      • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        3 days ago

        You’re more optimistic than I; all I heard was people chanting against an orange man war. If these people would be anti-war had Kamala won, then I would personally be heartened, but I don’t believe it for a second.

        • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          3 days ago

          So you won’t take the opportunity to organize people against the current government they oppose along revolutionary lines because of what you think they would do in an alternate timeline?

          • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            3 days ago

            It’s not even an alternate timeline; in this timeline the same people are libs who supported the invasion of Iraq and the overthrow of Gaddafi, especially the Libya situation too because Gaddafi was overthrown by Obama, and God forbid they should criticize him for anything. When Trump was managing the border concentration camps these same people were more than happy to come out against him and then the moment Biden won the election, these people were appeased because now that the right person was in charge, peace had been restored (except of course for the concentration camp inmates who were still in there). These same people had been salivating at the thought of violent regime change in Iran all the way up until Trump won the election.

                • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                  3 days ago

                  Ok so everyone is either a baying-for-blood imperialist liberal or a revolutionary communist. There are obviously more of the former, so let’s give up. Certainly there’s nobody whose politics are weird or muddy or undefined or undergoing changes in response to shifting material conditions. There’s no point trying to organize any people in a huge crowd spontaneously opposing the newest imperialist venture, because I am sure that every single one of them is a hardened DNC operative, at Bernie’s rally to perform a grand show of sheepdogging (which doesn’t actually happen, because there are no people who aren’t already either baying-for-blood imperialist liberals or revolutionary communists).