Hungary and Romania just blending in.
Lol, in the Czechoslovakia some regions were divided before war - Sudetenland was proper part of the Germany, protectorate which was officially occupied and Slovakian nazi regime.
So when the Soviet army came they behaved quite differently depending where they have been because only some of it was liberated other parts were conquered.
Tbf, would you have rather had the nazis or the soviet union?
It’s like saying: “do you prefer being stabbed in the left lung or the right lung?” both are just bad
I wonder if the downvotes are people ignoring genocide or what, and on towards which side . . .
Germany, Russia, Japan and USA all had concentration camps of some sorts and all committed some form of genocide:
- Russia towards the eastern Europe population
- Japan towards the Chinese
- USA it depends if you consider two atomic bombs a genocide, they sure didn’t like the Japanese but maybe they are the only ones I would be slightly more hesitant to accuse of genocide
- Germany for sure was the most horrible of them mostly for their sistematic and “effective” approach
- honorable mentions are Italy in Africa (that failed miserably but definitely had the intent) and the United Kingdom in India
Let’s be real, at that time most countries where fucking evil. This is not to say that everyone was equally bad (as I said, Germany was really extra bad, and maybe the Nazi degeneracy helped everyone acknowledge how rotten the world was becoming), but if Russia weren’t amongst the “winners”, their horrors would spoken aloud a lot more.
Russia weren’t amongst the “winners”
The Soviet Union was the target of the Nazis.
It’s pretty wild how nationalism allows for this kind of deflection for Nazis and the Holocaust by imagining what the nation of Russia within the USSR could have done in the face of what the Nazis actually did as the invading belligerent in a war of extermination.
- USA
it depends if you consider two atomic bombs a genocide, they sure didn’t like the Japanese but maybe they are the only ones I would be slightly more hesitant to accuse of genocideput Japanese Americans into literal concentration camps, and did their level best to genocide the Native American population.
- USA
Yeah, the Germans were systematic and that makes them worst. Thanks for answering, I was asking sincerely. Pretty much agreed on the comment that said that it was like asking if its worst to get stabbed in the right or left lung. Now I see the oversimplification, since in one case we have that “effectiveness” trait.
In any case, bwfore doing any ranking one should ask “why” do it… Like, what’s the aim here.
But, since we are doing it, let me bring the case of Latin America. The royalty of both Spain and Portugal are to be scrutinized. If not for their systematic approaches, let’s just try comparing the numbers. Entire civilizations were decimated. And the years it took were long enough to have settlers perpetuating actions locally… Oh, the cheery on top of it all is that until recently this wasn’t acknowledged even at schools. Even today there are statues of f*ing Columbus in Spain. Or museums with weapons of ‘Conquistadores’ without really stopping to reflect upon the terror they brought to natives. And not so long ago, in Latin América, 12th Oct. was a holiday for commemorating the “discovery” of the continent… Just plain as that. Obscene and insidious genocide. For me, it’s at the top.
Once, I read that Nazism is the internalization within Europe of Colonialist practices, only modernized (e.g. gas chambers vs. contagious blankets). Mindblowin’ eh?
Neither, the soviet union fucked over all of these countries for the next 50 years, and even more. Fuck both of them.
the Soviet proxy states just adopted the Nazi policies with a red flag on top
They most definitely did not
No, not at all.
Saved them from the nazis, but some of them didn’t want to be saved
“Saved” implies the change of situation to something better. The soviets killed, plundered, tortured, sent people off to death camps too. That’s why people here will say that russians can stick their liberation up their arse - they weren’t saviors, they started the war alongside nazi germany.
Yes? The Nazis operated most of their Holocaust-camps in eastern Europe. The Nazis systematically executed also non Jewish Civilians in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus… to make their “Lebensraum” reality.
Doesn’t make Stalin good, but suggesting the UDSSR to have been equal to the Nazis is simply wrong.
The soviets regilarly executed civilians, “intelligentsia”, officers and sent civilians over to die in Siberia.
Yes, the soviets were just as bad as nazis to the countries they occupied.
The soviets killed, plundered, tortured, sent people off to death camps too.
Were those people nazis?
No. Many nazis committed suicide at the end of the war, some were put to trial, but most suffered from amnesia for the years between 1933 and 1945 and were used to rebuild the Germanies.
Ideologically, the Soviets waged a class war and aimed for world revolution in the name of “scientific marxism”. They prosecuted the upper and middle class, nationalists, religious groups, the cultural and academic elite of all non-russian groups, and everybody politically aligned to any political group except Stalinism.
Of course – Stalinism and Nazism being pretty similar, to Stalin-era Soviets as to modern Rashism, the word “nazi” does not mean “a follower of National Socialist ideology”, but “everybody I view as enemy”. If you accept their definition, everybody they persecuted was a nazi, of course.
most suffered from amnesia for the years between 1933 and 1945
No, they weren’t. Read up on Katyn - soviets executing 22000 Poles in 1940. A year and a half before nazis invaded the soviets. It is a war crime that Russia admitted in 1990. And it is one of many, too many to count. Not that it would convince someone like you.
Percentage of ethnic group to be removed by Nazi Germany from future settlement areas
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
Look up the numbers in the article. It’s not the same, at all.
Also other comments like
It’s like saying: “do you prefer being stabbed in the left lung or the right lung?” both are just bad
8 upvotes and no downvotes or any correcting comments by now.
I am puzzled.
You not knowing history or how people were treated under the occupation of the soviets isn’t my problem.
Do you think Slavic people would be alive by now without the soviets?
Oh yeah then that makes the warcrimes, mass murders, death camps 100% justifiable, because the nazis.
Fuck the soviet union, fuck communism, fuck people who try to whitewash history. Nobody here is grateful for the soviet union occupying the country.
Looks like this is POV of Slovakia. Pretty on point
They were very briefly liberated.
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