“Saved” implies the change of situation to something better. The soviets killed, plundered, tortured, sent people off to death camps too. That’s why people here will say that russians can stick their liberation up their arse - they weren’t saviors, they started the war alongside nazi germany.
Yes? The Nazis operated most of their Holocaust-camps in eastern Europe. The Nazis systematically executed also non Jewish Civilians in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus… to make their “Lebensraum” reality.
Doesn’t make Stalin good, but suggesting the UDSSR to have been equal to the Nazis is simply wrong.
No. Many nazis committed suicide at the end of the war, some were put to trial, but most suffered from amnesia for the years between 1933 and 1945 and were used to rebuild the Germanies.
Ideologically, the Soviets waged a class war and aimed for world revolution in the name of “scientific marxism”. They prosecuted the upper and middle class, nationalists, religious groups, the cultural and academic elite of all non-russian groups, and everybody politically aligned to any political group except Stalinism.
Of course – Stalinism and Nazism being pretty similar, to Stalin-era Soviets as to modern Rashism, the word “nazi” does not mean “a follower of National Socialist ideology”, but “everybody I view as enemy”. If you accept their definition, everybody they persecuted was a nazi, of course.
No, they weren’t. Read up on Katyn - soviets executing 22000 Poles in 1940. A year and a half before nazis invaded the soviets. It is a war crime that Russia admitted in 1990. And it is one of many, too many to count. Not that it would convince someone like you.
Saved them from the nazis, but some of them didn’t want to be saved
“Saved” implies the change of situation to something better. The soviets killed, plundered, tortured, sent people off to death camps too. That’s why people here will say that russians can stick their liberation up their arse - they weren’t saviors, they started the war alongside nazi germany.
Yes? The Nazis operated most of their Holocaust-camps in eastern Europe. The Nazis systematically executed also non Jewish Civilians in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus… to make their “Lebensraum” reality.
Doesn’t make Stalin good, but suggesting the UDSSR to have been equal to the Nazis is simply wrong.
The soviets regilarly executed civilians, “intelligentsia”, officers and sent civilians over to die in Siberia.
Yes, the soviets were just as bad as nazis to the countries they occupied.
Were those people nazis?
No. Many nazis committed suicide at the end of the war, some were put to trial, but most suffered from amnesia for the years between 1933 and 1945 and were used to rebuild the Germanies.
Ideologically, the Soviets waged a class war and aimed for world revolution in the name of “scientific marxism”. They prosecuted the upper and middle class, nationalists, religious groups, the cultural and academic elite of all non-russian groups, and everybody politically aligned to any political group except Stalinism.
Of course – Stalinism and Nazism being pretty similar, to Stalin-era Soviets as to modern Rashism, the word “nazi” does not mean “a follower of National Socialist ideology”, but “everybody I view as enemy”. If you accept their definition, everybody they persecuted was a nazi, of course.
No, they weren’t. Read up on Katyn - soviets executing 22000 Poles in 1940. A year and a half before nazis invaded the soviets. It is a war crime that Russia admitted in 1990. And it is one of many, too many to count. Not that it would convince someone like you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
Look up the numbers in the article. It’s not the same, at all.
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I am puzzled.
You not knowing history or how people were treated under the occupation of the soviets isn’t my problem.
Do you think Slavic people would be alive by now without the soviets?
Oh yeah then that makes the warcrimes, mass murders, death camps 100% justifiable, because the nazis.
Fuck the soviet union, fuck communism, fuck people who try to whitewash history. Nobody here is grateful for the soviet union occupying the country.