I don’t know how normal it is to be registered in the US but I would assume the target were moderate voters, not party members
In many states you have to be registered if you want to vote in the primary. I would imagine most active voters are registered.
Thanks for the context. Makes sense. Do you register each time anew? In that case I would assume people stick with what they registered for. But on the other side, people might register for voting a more moderate candidate and don’t want Trump and vote Democrats. I guess that’s what the post is about. Now I get it.
I dont get what’s wrong. You guys wanted a genocider, now you get one. I thought that wasn’t that big of a deal?
After everything that’s happened with trump, you guys elect him the 2nd time.
You guys suck.
meanwhile im already seeing “moderate” “pundits” saying the reason Harris lost is because she was too woke and Democrats need to move further right 🙃
The problem, the worlld is now confirmed as knowing already, is that Americans are, for want of a better word, scum.
Happy to say that I was in the 6% and 5%.
It’s almost as though -maybe, just maybe- the people who are registered Republicans like the Republican Party.
For this groundbreaking insight, I’ll take my $20k/month consulting fee from the DNC now.
If you didn’t vote, or voted third party, because the Democrat candidate wasn’t “Left enough” for you, then like it or not you got exactly what you voted for.
You have to vote like we have the system we have, not like we have the system you want.
I hate the blame for third party voters, they still showed up and voted there are more things on the ballot than president and they almost certainly voted the progressive option for them which was good.
If literally every person who voted for a third party candidate, left or right, if literally all off them voted for Kamala Harris she still would have lost…
Stein got 0.6 million votes. Over a hundred million stayed at home. I sincerely doubt that each of those hundred million is a dyed-in-the-wool anti-electoralist, so why focus on the “Not left enough” people? They had no effect on the election one way or another, just like they kept telling you. Your problem is that the majority of people in this country are completely alienated from politics. If you continue to focus on the left to the exclusion of the Democrats’ very real shortcomings, if you continue to ignore DNC’s failure to offer a winning platform to everyday people, then you are damning us all to an eternity of the current moment.
I just don’t get how these cucks don’t get that.
It’s simple. If you don’t vote against the fascist dictator, you get a fascist dictator.
Judging by the responses by many of them on this platform, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say, that’s exactly what they wanted.
“I’m miserable and I want everyone else to be miserable too.”
Thanks for cucking America, you Russian tools. Don’t even bother making excuses. If you’re one of the 20 million Americans that abstained from voting this election cycle, trust me, I will eternally blame you for the horrors that you have unleashed upon the world.
How’s that “Schumer Strategy” working out for ya?
The DNC knew it would fail. That was the plan. Perhaps not this spectacularly, but they knew it wouldn’t work. They did their job. They defended the interests of Capital.
Yes, pass the buck to the DNC. They’re the ones that held the gun to your head and forced you not to vote against a fascist dictatorship.
That sarcasm, by the way. I know how thick you people can be, so I thought I’d just point that out.
Yeah, they’re just passing the buck to the people responsible for winning votes who made every decision about how to run the campaign that lost.
That’s sarcasm, by the way. I know how thick you people can be, so I thought I’d just point that out.
We’re adults here. It’s our choice to vote or not. I really dislike the implication that handholding voters to the ballot box is necessary. Yeah, the DNC f’s up plenty, but at the end of the day people that should have voted, didn’t.
people that should have voted, didn’t.
The people who didn’t vote wanted Harris less than they wanted Trump.
They are allowed to have that opinion.
And I really dislike the implication that voters should be expected to change to meet the campaigns that politicians want to run as opposed to politicians changing their campaigns based around what the voters want.
The blame should always go upwards, but instead it’s always pointed downward.
The choice was between a potential dictatorship and a mealy neoliberal. At some point it doesn’t matter you weren’t catered to. Failing to vote is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I hope voters like the change that will be forced on them with this new administration seeing as they couldn’t change their self interest enough to vote. Or will they just play the victim, taking up the Republican’s mantle and blame everyone else for the situation they find themselves in?
I have zero sympathy.
I have zero sympathy.
Exactly.
Who gives a shit about your sympathy? What matters is what can be changed in the future to prevent this outcome from happening again.
You seem to think the thing that needs to change is voters at large. I have no idea what your plan is to make that happen other than condescending lectures and shaming people into obedience, which, good luck with that. The things I’m saying should be done differently would only require a handful of politicians to change. So the question is, is it easier to change how a couple politicians behave, or how all of society behaves?
That’s not what I said at all. But keep playing the victim here.
I mean it worked so well when Hillary called all Trump voters deplorables and got a hate train going for “Berniebros” /s
Preach
Maybe if they got a couple more celebrities to endorse Harris she would have won. Or maybe all the celebrities could have sung Imagine like what they did during COVID.
Maybe they could have been endorsed by colin powell and oliver north.
No, you ignorant fool… they needed more scorned establishment Republican figures to support her. Liz Cheney wasn’t powerful enough, that much is clear now. The absolute genius of having our vehemently pro-choice candidate on stage accepting the endorsement of rabidly anti-abortion figures almost payed off. It’s the voters who were wrong!
America’s far left is just normal shit.
“Hey how about everybody gets food and can see the doctor”
“How about suck my dick and be my slave”
“Whoa whoa you two, let’s be civil. Especially you, first guy 😠”
The awful thing is they don’t even see what’s wrong with what you just described.
Extreme left and extreme right are both pieces of shit in my opinion. I’m not a centrist, but I’m not an extremist either. I just want people to not be put in concentration camps because of who they love or what they said online.
I guess it’s just too much to ask for from some people. Well, at least 20 million of them.
Too scared of the spooky communism👻👻
A spectre is haunting the United States 👻
America’s left is normal shit, but the far-left is much the same as it is everywhere else, Marxists and Anarchists.
America’s democratic party is much further right than any left leaning European party. Yet, even in the countries where those are or have been in power, the scary communist vision American propaganda promoted never materialized. People’s lives got just a little better as a whole in most cases. American capitalism is a cancer just as much as communism is an unattainable utopia. The answer, as in most cases, lies in the middle, but that’s something the American electorate really struggles to grasp.
First of all, I absolutely agree that the Democrats are a right-wing party, and the center-right European Social Democracies generally have higher living standards for most people than in America. However, I believe you have overlooked what I believe are critical factors, and you can correct me if I’m wrong here:
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The Social Safety Nets in these Social Democracies are shrinking in most cases
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Most of the Value consumed in these Social Democracies, the grear, vast majority, comes from countries in the Global South paid far less than the Value created for the Global North, meaning they depend on Imperialism
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Disparity continues to rise as Capitalism continues to centralize into fewer and fewer larger and larger Monopolist syndicates, the trend is still towards instability
The reason they haven’t “turned to Communism” is because they have never wanted to, they have been fundamentaly structured around Capitalism as the dominant Mode of Production and rely on Imperialism to subsidize their cost of living.
The reason America is different is because it is the global Hegemonic power. The “World Police.” Why is it that the US outspends the rest of the world on the military? So it can project soft power all around the world, securing unequal trade deals with the wealthy Capitalist classes in the Global South. The world trades in US dollars, which the US fights to maintain because it profits from that. This internally causes hyper-disparity between the wealthy and the poor in America.
Finally, I want to ask why you say Communism is an “unattainable utopia.” Marxists have thus far been proven correct in their thesis that markets trend towards centralization through competition over time, and that as firms get larger they begin to develop infrastructure for their own internalized planning. The concept of a fully publicly owned, centrally planned economy is built up by Capitalism itself. That’s without speaking to the fact that there are already Socialist states working towards said goal of full public ownership and central planning.
Why do you say the answer is a “middle ground?” What does this look like?
Honestly… I’m not sure at this point. I was somewhat nihilistic before, but these past few years have brought that sentiment to a whole new level for me…
The main limiting factor towards a true communist utopia is one: we’re human. As such, we are unfortunately individualistic by nature, and it’s been proven time and time again that the accumulation of wealth and power only strengthens that sentiment in the vast majority of the population. Under these constraints, I don’t see a path to fully public, decentralized governance and economic equality, someone will always attempt to centralize both.
What can be done is increase regulations, break up monopolies, put on safety guards and ensure better redistribution, and use, of wealth by increasing taxes to the ruling class. So basically yeah, some form of democraric socialism.
But then again, since decisions are made by the ruling class, that is unlikely to happen, it’s not in their best interest.
And as we’ve seen this time around, you just can’t beat stupidity. All the good intentions and overwhelming proof in the world won’t do you any good if people are unwilling to listen. Oftentimes, even the highly educated are unwilling to listen, what chance do you have with the average person?
I’ll address what you said in a moment, but I really do think you should read theory. If nihilism is overtaking you, in my opinion that means you have likely not properly analyzed our conditions, nor how to fix them. I keep an “introduction to Marxist theory” reading list I can link if you want.
First, no Communist is “Utopian.” Utopianism refers to the strategy of trying to figure out the right formula and directly create it, rather than analyzing existing structures and where they are headed. Communists analyze Capitalism and advocate for Socialism because Capitalism creates the conditions for Socicalism naturally, over time, by forming monopolies that can be folded into the public sector and centrally planned.
Secondly, you are making a critical misunderstanding of Communism. Communism is fully publicly owned and centrally planned. This is the entire purpose of public ownership, once you have public ownership you can plan things centrally, along democratic lines.
Thirdly, human values and thinking is guided by their social relations and material conditions. In Capitalism, a highly individualistic system filled with competition, these values are expressed at greater levels among Capital Owners. However, as it centralizes, the working class becomes more associated, and communal values are expressed at greater levels. This process has been reflected throughout all of history, from the tight-knit family structure of Feudalism to the modern era, the Mode of Production has formed the Base of society, and influenced the laws, culture, art, and so forth forming the Superstructure that reinforces the base, in a cycle that continues to evolve over time as one Mode of Production slowly leads to the next.
As per your “Democratic Socialism,” you are describing “Social Democracy.” There is nothing Socialist about what you described, a Capitalist state with large safety nets is Capitalist regardless. As such, you retain the inherent unsustainability of Capitalism and the further rising disparity it contains, until it is eventually overthrown and Socialism is achieved.
Regarding people’s receptions to ideas, this gets back to the Base and Superstructure argument. As the Base shifts over time, people become accepting of new ideas and values. Focusing on literacy and organizing are the best ways to increase social awareness of systemic issues, and figuring out how to solve them.
I maintain that you should read theory. I can offer a reading list, or answer any questions you might have. I don’t think it’s fair for you to denounce Communism as impossible if you haven’t engaged with the literature enough to fully understand what it even is, or how Communists want to achieve it and why they believe it not only to be possible, but necessary.
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Exactly. You’re taking the high horse, ethical, “I won’t sink to their level” strategy against people who literally have no ethics, scruples, morals, or shame. They are depending on you to fight fair. So they can punch you in the back of the head when you turn your back. People who present themselves as more intelligent, moral, and noble prove once again that they’re rubes and marks.
What the fuck is it going to take that you have to fight fire with fire with these lateral pieces of human shit?
“When they go low, we go high”, Obama said… only to be met with “You go high, we’ll go low, because low gets us votes.”
Yea but they won’t court the “left”(what little of a left exists in America) because the DNC doesn’t want leftist or even center-left policies, they like and want center-right policies that republicans 30 years ago pushed.
Why did they even have to work so hard for your young left vote? You saw the alternative, and you knew the consequences to staying home. You will suffer it not their party. I thought you guys were the smart ones and would know to take the lesser of two evils, instead of standing to the side to let the worst one in. And again you will suffer, no matter how much you say “that’s what Democrats get I hope they learn”, while you burn.
Anyways I just don’t get it guys. Sometimes in life you have to eat shit and like it. But instead you decided to cut off your nose to spite your face.
-a very disappointed Canadian of color
It’s because they’re cucks. 20 million Americans get off on watching their government and their country get fucked by a fascist dictatorship.
I’ll trust a magat over these cucks any day. At least I know what the magat stands for.
The most disappointing part will be they won’t even realize how bad they fucked up until they go to a protest protesting the removal of our civil liberties and immediately get put into a camp. Only then will they maybe finally understand how bad they fucked things up.
I’m a trotskyist and care very little for capitalist mouth peaces. Most socialists and anarchist have similar sentients.
You may have us confused for liberals.
they didn’t have to work hard. they just had to not genocide and toss some red corporate meat on the fire for the masses to devour. sadly even that was too heavy a lift for them.
That’s intentional. A conscious decision made by the DNC.
They don’t want to give up their share of rich donors and insider trading privileges.
Exactly. In bourgeois “democracy” political parties serve the wealthy Capitalists and Imperialists that can afford to buy them. Socialism is the only path to actual democracy.
Somebody is paying attention.
