Leftists are just about the only group that will go around saying they “won’t vote” if there isn’t a candidate making enough concessions to them. Leftists are a small group but they are enough they could sway an election if they came out and made their voices heard by voting instead of just holding signs and yelling. But getting that to happen isn’t as simple as just saying you’re against the genocide, because Harris did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting unions, because she did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ, because she did that and it wasn’t enough.
The right isn’t stupid enough to believe that they can get their oligarchy without winning elections, but belief in incremental change is fundamentally incompatible with a lot of leftist ideology.
Democrats spend far too much time and energy pretending everyone to the left of the Democrats are anti-electoralist anarchists.
getting that to happen isn’t as simple as just saying you’re against the genocide, because Harris did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting unions, because she did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ, because she did that and it wasn’t enough.
Yes. You’re absolutely correct that what the Democrats are doing is not enough. If the DNC can get that through their thick skulls, maybe we have a chance next time.
You can’t just say you support unions.
You can’t just say you’re against genocide.
You have to make people’s lives materially better, and until the Dems choose to do that, we’re in trouble.
everyone to the left of the Democrats are anti-electoralist anarchists.
I’m an anti-electoralist anarchist and I voted for Kamala because I’m not a fucking idiot.
Until I see an exit poll showing that the folks who turned up for Harris were centrists and the left really did sit it out I’m not going to believe any claims to that effect.
There were a few people on the left (with followings on social media) advocating for third party votes because Kamala wouldn’t say that she was going to stop sending money to Israel.
Post election, it looks like third party votes didn’t spoil anything.
Nope, we’re still here. sorry your candidate lost! maybe she shouldn’t have tossed the 25 electoral points into the trash bin for 2 months right out of the gate. 🤷 If you want votes from the people who are not monsters you need to run candidates who are not monsters. I have yet to see people give a single reason why harris couldn’t have shifted on gaza that isn’t ‘lesser evil’, ‘trump bad’. never mind all the other issues with her campaign. hilariously she and biden and the rest of the dems don’t seem too upset they lost. guess they didnt mind getting trump and losing the senate.
We will all be sorry she lost. Also I voted for the lesser of two evils here. Kamala and I are not ideology aligned. Also I agree with most of your critiques of her campaign, but I think any democratic would have made these mistakes.
How am I virtue signaling? Also, I agree, we are in a era of populism, I think this last election showed that liberal policy wonkery does not sell anymore.
Democrats need to change their tact if they’re planning on winning any more elections.
you’re straight up virtue signalling by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.
In this particular case you’re trying to soften the blow for ardent progenocide supporters for harris. unfortunately they need to the cold hard truth to wake them up.
You:
I voted for harris, don’t hurt me, I didnt agree with her but I still was in your group!
Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.
But in my opinion this exact behavior is why harris lost. people were so busy virtue signalling they didnt support trump and dog piling all their stress onto anyone who told them harris was going to lose that harris’ campaign didn’t pick up exactly how fucked they actually were over gaza and the economy.
Most people are not like myself, they wont go out of their way to tell you how fucked up something is unless it negatively impacts them. Its why the arabs were screaming the entire campaign but very few others like myself were. instead they saw what was happening and just wrote harris off after comparing her actions to trumps words. Aka: trump may act and say hes a monster, but at least he doesn’t lie to my face about it.
Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.
Ok, I found this soo funny. I don’t know if you know that your doing it, but all your replies to me have been oozing with contempt. Are you for real? Of course I am taking your posts in a negative manner. How would anyone not?
That is besides the point.
by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.
When I google “virtue signaling definition” this is the definition I get “the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue.”
(Most) Third party voters are like cicadas. They spend the majority of their lives immature and underground. Every 4 years they swarm and die quickly to apathy and despair.
Just like cicadas, third party voters will be heavily affected by climate change.
You’re welcome you also noted I never denied it would be one or the other. I said it was a false choice that people had to vote for one or the other.
You were warned. you’re welcome for the warning. Im sorry you and harris didnt grasp the breadth of the problem at hand and completely blew the election.
So kindly fix your party or replace them. Im certainly done with them at this point.
Leftist here. I voted for Kamala. All the leftist media I consumed argued for voting for Kamala. All the leftists I knew vote for Kamala.
What are you talking about?
Leftists are so insignificant that we don’t need to make any concessions to them but so powerful that they are responsible for any Democratic loss.
Leftists are just about the only group that will go around saying they “won’t vote” if there isn’t a candidate making enough concessions to them. Leftists are a small group but they are enough they could sway an election if they came out and made their voices heard by voting instead of just holding signs and yelling. But getting that to happen isn’t as simple as just saying you’re against the genocide, because Harris did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting unions, because she did that and it wasn’t enough. It isn’t as simple as supporting rights for women, minorities, and LGBTQ, because she did that and it wasn’t enough.
The right isn’t stupid enough to believe that they can get their oligarchy without winning elections, but belief in incremental change is fundamentally incompatible with a lot of leftist ideology.
Democrats spend far too much time and energy pretending everyone to the left of the Democrats are anti-electoralist anarchists.
Yes. You’re absolutely correct that what the Democrats are doing is not enough. If the DNC can get that through their thick skulls, maybe we have a chance next time.
You can’t just say you support unions.
You can’t just say you’re against genocide.
You have to make people’s lives materially better, and until the Dems choose to do that, we’re in trouble.
I’m an anti-electoralist anarchist and I voted for Kamala because I’m not a fucking idiot.
Until I see an exit poll showing that the folks who turned up for Harris were centrists and the left really did sit it out I’m not going to believe any claims to that effect.
There were a few people on the left (with followings on social media) advocating for third party votes because Kamala wouldn’t say that she was going to stop sending money to Israel.
Post election, it looks like third party votes didn’t spoil anything.
Oh yeah, I was arguing with them all the time. I figured they were bots. Seems like they have all dried up right after the election.
Define “dried up”. The election us over and the country chose fascism. What else is there to argue about?
Nope, we’re still here. sorry your candidate lost! maybe she shouldn’t have tossed the 25 electoral points into the trash bin for 2 months right out of the gate. 🤷 If you want votes from the people who are not monsters you need to run candidates who are not monsters. I have yet to see people give a single reason why harris couldn’t have shifted on gaza that isn’t ‘lesser evil’, ‘trump bad’. never mind all the other issues with her campaign. hilariously she and biden and the rest of the dems don’t seem too upset they lost. guess they didnt mind getting trump and losing the senate.
We will all be sorry she lost. Also I voted for the lesser of two evils here. Kamala and I are not ideology aligned. Also I agree with most of your critiques of her campaign, but I think any democratic would have made these mistakes.
Virtue signal harder friend it wont save you. We’ll be here if it actually gets bad but the democrats are done as an option given this last campaign.
How am I virtue signaling? Also, I agree, we are in a era of populism, I think this last election showed that liberal policy wonkery does not sell anymore.
Democrats need to change their tact if they’re planning on winning any more elections.
you’re straight up virtue signalling by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.
In this particular case you’re trying to soften the blow for ardent progenocide supporters for harris. unfortunately they need to the cold hard truth to wake them up.
You:
Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.
But in my opinion this exact behavior is why harris lost. people were so busy virtue signalling they didnt support trump and dog piling all their stress onto anyone who told them harris was going to lose that harris’ campaign didn’t pick up exactly how fucked they actually were over gaza and the economy.
Most people are not like myself, they wont go out of their way to tell you how fucked up something is unless it negatively impacts them. Its why the arabs were screaming the entire campaign but very few others like myself were. instead they saw what was happening and just wrote harris off after comparing her actions to trumps words. Aka: trump may act and say hes a monster, but at least he doesn’t lie to my face about it.
Ok, I found this soo funny. I don’t know if you know that your doing it, but all your replies to me have been oozing with contempt. Are you for real? Of course I am taking your posts in a negative manner. How would anyone not?
That is besides the point.
When I google “virtue signaling definition” this is the definition I get “the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue.”
Do my actions/words still apply? If so, how?
(Most) Third party voters are like cicadas. They spend the majority of their lives immature and underground. Every 4 years they swarm and die quickly to apathy and despair.
Just like cicadas, third party voters will be heavily affected by climate change.
This
https://lemmy.world/comment/13384893
so fix your party? sounds easier than fixing that individual.
Oh it’s you. The one who claimed it was a false dichotomy but I somehow predicted the future.
Let’s both watch what becomes of Gaza over the next four years on top of all the other bullshit Trump will pull.
Thanks for nothing!
You’re welcome you also noted I never denied it would be one or the other. I said it was a false choice that people had to vote for one or the other.
You were warned. you’re welcome for the warning. Im sorry you and harris didnt grasp the breadth of the problem at hand and completely blew the election.
So kindly fix your party or replace them. Im certainly done with them at this point.
That person voted against fascism
Might as well have written in their own name for all the good it could have possibly done.
Then we’re not talking to you. But a lot of people stayed home and that’s a fact
All the people who didn’t vote against fascism.