i can’t even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.
edit: well they’re not quiet now once they get called out
I get you’re mad that Trump won, but you’re blaming the wrong people.
Oh there are lots of people to blame. It’s a long list!
Right, I remember you now, you were the one talking about virtue signaling over pragmatism and trying to shift the blame rather than admit that Biden/Harris were flawed. Then dismissing the complaints everyone else had because your own selfishly mattered more.
Liberals are so fucking obnoxious.
“How dare you vote your conscience”
Seriously go fuck yourselves if you think this. I’ve tried to reason with these people but they aren’t willing to put themselves in the shoes of someone who couldn’t stomach voting for Harris. Grow the fuck up, expand your viewpoint, and stop being a condescending prick on the internet, I fucking beg you.
If you’re on the internet insulting anyone who didn’t vote for Harris, you are the reason we’re in this situation. You and your ilk are the reason the democrats can run a right wing campaign and then blame leftists when they (predictably) lose. It’s honestly fucking pathetic.
Sorry I’m just getting so fucking tired of these people.
Agreed. Harris lost by more than 10 million votes. Leftists were critical of Kamala because she is pro-Israel, among other things. These “other things” are the reasons most people who abstained from voting didn’t vote for her.
If Dems wanted to win then they should have had better messaging and policy. Kamala lost because her platform didn’t appeal to most Americans. She never talked about anything that would improve people’s material conditions, and instead tried to appeal to “fallen Republicans”.
Harris didn’t lose this election because of Gaza. She lost it because she ran a dogshit campaign.
Throwing your vote in the trash is a vote for garbage, and garbage won by a landslide.
The garbage voters really hate to hear it.
And liberals really hate to hear that the democrats ran a garbage campaign. Shit goes both ways my dude. Expand your viewpoint and try to consider why someone would be unable to vote for Harris instead of calling them idiots.
You can continue blaming everything but the DNC, but it won’t change the fact that they are complicit in genocide and no matter who was in charge, the US will continue it’s legacy of genocide worldwide.
But thank goodness you have your very very high horse upon which you can crow about your principles! Congrats I guess.
and no matter who was in charge, the US will continue it’s legacy of genocide worldwide.
Soo…what was not voting for the less-genocidey candidate supposed to accomplish?
Can you tell me what my vote for Harris did? I got to vote for “less genocide” and get “more genocide”. Clearly, it was very important for Harris to keep out Palestinian- and Arab-Americans in swing states and bring in Republicans. Can you help me understand how that was supposed to win the most important election of all time where Republicans are planning on genociding everyone not them?
Gotta love libs STILL blaming their overwhelming loss and support for genocide on people that they’ve banned.
Libs gonna lib.
Blame the at most 2 million or so antigenocide protestors, instead of the 75 million who voted for Trump. Considering Harris was short 8 million votes, it didn’t really matter.
Blame Trump voters first, but also blame Harris for running a dog shit campaign where she leaned right to pickup Republicans, and ended up picking up zero R voters while completely alienating the progressives and losing 14 million votes from Biden’s 2020 performance.
The Dems don’t seem too upset though. They would rather lose to the republicans than let progressives have any sort of power.
I agree with you except for the blaming Trump voters part. I’m not going to pretend I think anyone who voted for Trump was informed or made a good decision, but I have some understanding of how they got to that decision.
Libs blaming voters are almost certainly: young, college educated, and privileged. I too am all those things, but I’ve tried to expose myself to the experiences of people who are much different than me. In doing so I’ve learned how their learned experiences inform their politics, and how someone like Harris (and the democratic party in general) did absolutely nothing to appeal to them.
Trump acknowledged their suffering and gave them a scapegoat to blame. Harris did not counter that narrative, she did not acknowledge their suffering, and she did not offer them anything that might improve their lives. All she had to offer was the idea that Trump was a fascist. She was right obviously, but Trump being a fascist is an abstract concept to understand, “immigrants are making your life worse” is very easy to digest.
It is not only that she ran to the right but she did so with Liz Cheney who represents the old guard that is no longer trusted by them. She is nothing but a liability and is moreso indicative of the rot in the establishment which seems to identify more with Republican-lite than anything the rank and file of the party wants. That same establishment is trying to decide which minority to throw under the bus now rather than own up to their failures.
Yeah, the young MAGAts I work with don’t like that old crew of Rs. People like Cheney campaigning with Harris was another reason for them to vote for Trump. Sane people know the whole “drain the swamp” thing is bullshit but a lot of his supporters buy that bullshit, and Cheney is definitely a swamp creature.
She needed a little over 230k (at last count) in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
Edit: And the total popular vote gap is down to ~2.65mm.
That’s not how voting works in the US.
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But you did
Right? .ml has been quiet…the CCP ran out of things for them to say?
fuckem. And honestly, if i get banned from a sub for calling out their bullshit then that’s a sub I’m not interested in being in.
Well fuck you for not trying to understand why people voted for Trump.
Friendly reminder that Joe Biden is still the president and could stop sending weapons to Israel right now if he wanted to. But he doesn’t.
I don’t know how government works or what laws are.
Yeah we can tell.
Imagine being this confidently wrong.
Thank god Trump is taking over right.
Yeah, maybe the liberals who were out to brunch for the last four years might suddenly start giving a shit again. JK who am I kidding, the only thing liberals are capable of is marching around with signs peacefully while pissing their pants.
As ineffectual as the democrat party they simp for. Pathetic.
well they’re not quiet now once they get called out
If you call people out, they’re gonna respond, lol. (edited this part to not be accidentally included as part of the quote above)
tl;dr is we need more options than Democrats and Republicans, and voting third party should be only part of the solution to educate and mobilize the working class.
I think it is a false narrative that “voting blue no matter who” is the sole thing preventing the USA from succumbing to fascism. The reason government power see-saws between Democrats and Republicans is because it is hard for either party to maintain any legitimacy of being helpful to working class people when the only people both sides are helping are the wealthy. People get fed up with Democrats doing nothing for them and vote Republican. They then get fed up with Republicans doing nothing and vote Democrat.
Are the Democrats current policies better than Republicans in some areas? Sure. But the Democrats have also continued some of the worst Republican policies, and the ones they have better stances on are small and in my opinion offer no long term solutions to help the working class. So one proposed solution is to use our limited power of voting for another party that aligns more with working class needs. That should also only be one part of a larger scheme to educate and mobilize the working class.
You’re right about third parties, and everybody needs to factor this in, or America will never get them:
And the best chance at getting that getting democrats enough power and then cracking their skulls until they do it.
Front page of Lemmy is just as bad as the front page of reddit lmao
Didn’t really think there was that many of them on here. I feel like every time I see memes like this on here it’s just people preaching to the choir.
Nope, we’re here. Stop blaming voters and blame the democratic party please and thank you.
Focusing on these people was an unhealthy obsession, and most of the attempts to reach them were needlessly adversarial to the point of being toxic and hardening their resolve to not vote for Harris. Gaza was a losing issue for Harris and this attention just kept it front and center. Sad to see the obsession continue.
Anyways, this is not why Harris lost. It was a landslide and Trump won the popular vote by a huge margin. Americans don’t vote in large numbers on foreign policy - not unless Americans are getting killed. Kamala lost because she kept telling struggling families that the economy is great.
Focusing on these people was an unhealthy obsession
It still is. What’s done is absolutely done and every time I look at stuff like this on this platform it makes me feel like people are witch hunting. Right now progressives and the general left need solidarity more than ever now.
The people who withed their vote hurt us all but we can’t exactly afford to alienate them.
I know the post election wounds are still fresh but hopefully the finger pointing stops soon. Besides non-voters I’ve seen people blaming minorities, I’ve seen people blaming women and I’m sure there’s many other demographics people have blamed.
The funniest thing about is like, I live in fucking Illinois. And I voted for the Dems downballot where it actually matters. All the words spilled, all the hate and anger that’s been directed at me, has been over a single third party vote in one of the safest states in the country. The vast majority of Americans live in safe states too.
In reality it’s just about enforcing the social norms of the tribe.
I’m in Illinois as well. I’ve personally come to the conclusion that voting third party isn’t a great option. The only third party that ostensibly aligns with me is the Green party, but their strategies make it clear to me that they actually exist to spoil elections, not advance issues. Our votes are technically irrelevant, but I’d rather not help legitimize the Green party.
I voted for PSL, personally.
I can respect that. It definitely sends the right message.
Focusing on these people was an unhealthy obsession, and most of the attempts to reach them were needlessly adversarial to the point of being toxic and hardening their resolve to not vote for Harris.
This is exactly why so many dug their heels in. The idea of leftists making a weird or nonsensical decision baffled and enraged many other leftists and liberals, the unhealthy obsession metastasized to full-blown cancer towards the election, I swear the left was arguing more with itself than the MAGA’s, and that’s also by design, nobody wants to debate the right because they’re insane, so better focus efforts on those who supposedly want the same thing, right?
The funny thing about the human mind that nobody gets yet is that attention is more important than what kind of attention, the fact that their obstinance about not voting democrat was getting them so much attention, making them feel like the persecuted minority, getting support from like-minds, it just created a mini-MAGA front. And sure, it probably wouldn’t have changed the election but it shows clearly how the only thing standing between us and a better future is our own idiocy as a species. Every damn time, we’re going to sabotage our collective future because of our personal feelings. MAGA are just people less aware of the world and more happy to be who they are. That’s the only difference between us.
Adding in an edit: downvote it all you want, you know it’s true. Hell, in his last election he DID lose the popular vote. Some democracy. More voters, actual people who took the time and effort to go and actually vote, wanted a different president, and got shown their votes don’t matter unless they live in a swing state.
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Anyways, this is not why Harris lost. It was a landslide and Trump won the popular vote by a huge margin. Americans don’t vote in large numbers on foreign policy - not unless Americans are getting killed. Kamala lost because she
kept telling struggling families that the economy is greathas a vagina.Fixed that for you.
Also she didn’t lose the pop vote by a huge margin. 3 million people is literally 1 percent of the population.
If this were a democracy and pop vote mattered, there are probably 10x that number of people who would have actually voted. Then I’d guess she would have won. Look at (greater area) Chicago. 9.5m people. 12 million people total in IL. how many Illinoisans didn’t vote because why does it matter? About 2 million probably.
Disclaimer: That last paragraph was obviously arbitrary.
Interesting that you seem to assume that Harris would have done better with the people who didn’t vote than with the people who did.
A Democrats losing the popular vote to a Republican by 1% is a huge margin. What matters isn’t the entire population, it’s the swing voters.
Democrats straddle the desires of their wealthy patrons and the desires of voters. They always try to give the people just enough to scrape by. The result is that we consistently have elections with tight margins. Democrats are playing a game of high stakes chicken every election.
You’re assuming that the entire 1% were swing voters. So no. It’s not a huge margin.
Ok average nearly half the country votes, every year. Yeah - that number should be way up - but 75% of those votes wouldn’t matter. That’s the point/problem.
If at least 1% over the electorate is swing voters, then that definitionally makes up the critical 1% Trump margin. That’s just what swing voters are.
The actual margin is more like 4-5% when you consider the extra votes Democrats need to win the electoral college.
Stop blaming vaginas for not getting votes
I will. When misogyny goes away.
I will. When women can control their own bodies lmfao.
I can keep going but. Shut the hell up man.
While establishing actual democracy is absolutely a priority, it’s not a guarantee that we would have had a better outcome. Australia has RCV and compulsory voting already, and are trending right anyways.
No it won’t magically fix everything but at least the voters would have no one to blame but themselves for who they elect to office.
They banned people and then celebrate the silence.
I have not been quiet. The writing’s on the wall. First undocumented immigrants, and the democrats are going after trans people next, and I can’t stand it.
“But but genocide joe, such a catchy name! Why do I have to think further than some meme?” -💩
