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what about voting 3rd party? To show that you do care but hate both candidates.
It is however easier to explain to people that those in power do not have popular support if there are less people that voted for them. I am not saying it is a good idea, but I am trying to say that this goes both ways. As some user previously said, voting for lesser of two evils and voting for absolute support is also indistinguishable.
Maybe consider there are other alternatives to voting?
To solve this, find out how to register a protest vote and do that. Not voting is ambiguous, as is spoiling your ballot paper. What you need is a formally recognised way to vote “None of the above” or something similar, so that your intent is 100% clear.
If somebody tells you not to vote, they know who you would have voted for and rather you didn’t.
If I don’t agree with either candidate, I’m not voting for them, simple as that. I don’t care what someone else thinks about my choice, I’m done compromising on my beliefs for old men who can’t step aside.
The problem with voting is that you directly support a system that does absolutely nothing for you.
It’s like voting for Putin. Doing it only validate the government. That’s why it’s mandatory to vote in these kind of dictatorships.
Now equating dictatorship with voting for someone you don’t want is a stretch, but not a so large one.
Whilst I’m not in US with it’s Power Duopoly system, were I’ve lived I’ve always made a point of voting and if none of the options appeals to me, I just vote blank.
Abstention out of principle does get mixed with abstention out of laziness, out of disconnect from politics or simply because of not being able to go vote, but a blank vote is a statement of “I did go to the trouble of going to vote just to register my dissatisfaction with all available options”.
I’ve also been on the other side (manning a voting place) and I don’t recommend spoiling your vote (if voting with a paper ballot) as whilst the people talling the votes will indeed see your beautiful artistic depiction of male genitalia or read your strongly worded message of disgust with the selection of candidates available, it won’t go beyond them as in the tally it just gets mixed with people that incorrectly filled-in the ballot (such as multiple marks, marks significantly outside the box or, in the US, hanging chads).
you should be able to vote :
- anytime
- for anyone in the country that have full citizen rights
- electronically - privately using your private key signed and acknowledged by gov
- over whole period you can change your vote anytime
- counting votes and reset should be every 4 - 5 years depending on terms
- before counting votes everyone should get notification one month, one week, one day before and only if you didn’t vote hour, 15 minutes before counting
- if you didn’t vote your voting account should be disabled and removed from pool until you pay the fine to bring it back.
that’s all, let’s bring the voting to 21st century lol
That logic is pretty shaky, you can say something roughly the same about voting. How can you distinguish a reluctant tactical vote from an endorsement of the current democratic model? I’m not even making that argument, I think voting is probably sensible. But this is a pretty bad argument.
I’m just waiting for all those Michigan voters threatening Biden right now to go through with it.
I’m not American, I’d be really curious to see the shocked Pikachu faces when those people are rounded up and deported by the fascist dictator they’d be tacitly supporting.
I’m just waiting for all those Michigan voters threatening Biden right now to go through with it.
I would be very worried that, in the state of Michigan, Trump racked up 750k votes while Biden was only able to drag in 620k. When you consider the 100k votes for “Uncommitted” and the 40k votes for Biden-alternatives, that’s not looking great.
It looks even worse when you consider the 2020 results - 840k Biden to 577k Bernie. Joe looks like he’s hemorrhaging support in that state. Palestine very well may cost him the state and potentially the Presidency.
Compare that to Trump’s 110k gain from 2020. Dude’s picking up speed while Democrats just kinda fuck around, waiting to find out.
I’d be really curious to see the shocked Pikachu faces when those people are rounded up
Governor Whitmer has been far more savvy in her outreach to the state’s Muslim community. I doubt she’d roll over to a Trump DHS trying to deport a big chunk of her constituents.
But if you’re a Muslim down in Texas or out in Florida or Arizona, I would be feeling incredibly anxious.
Ah yes I guess they would have deserved it.
Liberal and victim blaming, name a more iconic duo. People who vote for fascism are responsible for fascism. Quit blackmailing people.
Also feeling “curious” at the idea of people getting shot is pretty psychopathic
Well ya, after years of warnings if y’all allow Trump back into office… you deserve what you collectively get.
You can call me psychopathic, I’m fine with that. Myself along with the rest of the world will be watching America with baited breath in case it follows that loser airman and lights itself on fire because it fell for the bullshit.
Come on buddy nobody deserve fascism. I know its tempting to get into this revengeful mindset but you cannot blame people not to vote for liberals either. Fascists are responsible for electing fascists, nobody else. And one might even question the free-will of the voter when there is so much propaganda around.
No, you’re actually a completely wrong here. If a fascist gets into office, it’s because of the failure of the society in general that allowed it to happen .
If you don’t want a fascist to be the one running your country, then elect someone who is in a fascist if you’re going to come back with well, the laws are this and the gerrymanders are that… Well guess what You’re in the midst of failing to prevent it from happening. So grab those damn bootstraps and do something about it.
I’m a couple of miles further away from a fascist taking off where I live, so I’m watching with fascination as you all clearly want to elect someone that hates you and will destroy the lives of many Americans. You’re welcome to do it and when the whole world blames Americans for the choice that America made, you don’t get to say that’s not my fault.
Whatever, dear, do what you think is right. Have a good evening
Trump won’t deport them.
If people keep voting Biden then Fascism will grow in popularity. And the next more extreme Fascist republican that wins actually will.
We should vote against our interest because if we don’t, something worse will come along.
You should vote for your own interest to make a point of where your priorities lie so the Dems will start to compromise for them.
The Democrats are supposed to be a compromise vote not a fucking Hostage situation.
I agree with you - it would be great if we could vote on policy and not individuals. (I say that, but I also acknowledge that in the past, majority rule at times had been detrimental to minority rights. But I digress.)
Since the reality is that we vote for representatives, and in the case of the presidential election, should we not vote for the candidate that is most closely aligned with our own interests? I think we also largely agree on that.
The critical point that we may disagree on is this. I posit that: If we ignore the reality of how our political system works, we ultimately end up losing our leverage to even make a point. You talk about making the Dems compromise, but if the Reps get into power, they sure aren’t going to compromise, but rather, actively work against our interests.
That is not happening if people keep voting Democrat while the Democrats refuse to compromise on anything.
Let them work for the vote for once.
I’m trying hard to find common ground here, but it seems like you haven’t read my response at all.
Can you define the word anything? From my point of view, the Dems have compromised and shifted left on such things as legalization of same sex marriage, decriminalizing border crossings, higher taxes on the wealthy, access to cheaper/free higher education, reparations, trans rights, etc. Many of these were really not talked about in the 90s/00s or were actively disparaged back then.
In contrast, I’ve seen the overturn of RvW due directly from a Trump presidency, continual climate change denial, tax breaks for the wealthy, environmental protections abolished, etc. from the R side.
Therefore, I’m not exactly sure what you mean by making them work for the vote for once. Let’s say we didn’t vote D two decades ago, it would not have pushed into action many of the policies and rights that we enjoy right now. It seems more like, if we vote against the Dems, my interests will never come to fruition. Do you disagree? If so, why?
Obama purposely did not encode Roe v Wade to use it as a carrot to force voters to keep voting Democrat.
Abortion rights are being lost is because the Democrats refused to be progressive and compromised with the Republicans on everything.
Biden voted against Gay marriage, trans rights and other issues for a loooong time until it started costing votes. When they started needing votes they started adopting those policies.
Even now Biden is not fighting for abortion rights. He is fighting for weapons to israel.
Genocide is a breaking point. A red line.
There is no compromise for Genocide. The Genocide stops or the Biden stops. Light that fire under Bidens ass so he makes that choice. No more fence sitting.
And that’s better for Biden too. The sooner Biden uses his power to stop the Genocide, the sooner he will get votes again.
All this bad Democrat publicity will disappear very fast if Biden fixes the issue. Ignoring it is not an option. We need to pretending it is.
Have you thought about doing something else in your interest than just voting to legitimize your silly little empire?
If Biden wins again, that would put pressure on Republicans to reevaluate how they’ve been operating.
That might mean doubling down, but it could also mean changing by shedding their most extreme views and candidates, and moving back towards the middle, or just eventually imploding and having another party take its place.
Can you name a time when a party significantly shifted their platform after a loss?
Seems like “double down” is the only option they choose, at least in my lifetime.
If Biden wins again like this we’re going to slide further to the right and the Republicans are going to get even more extreme.
Trump is not the final form of Fascism.
If Trump wins we slide even further than if Biden wins…
No it means that Democrats will need to be actually progressive in 2028 to win back votes.
Unless you buy into the same 2016 fearmongering that Trump is going to end democracy (again)
Cool, good to hear compassion for all those who will suffer in the 4 years until 2028
Good to hear your current compassion for Palestinians being Genocided with weapons supplied by Joe Biden.
ITT: people shouting “nuh uh” at the post.
I’m fairly convinced that Lemmy has been compromised with an inordinate amount of Russian propaganda relay bots.
Yeah, anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Russian bot.
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If all else fails, blame Russia lol
If you’re really that convinced that everyone who doesnt like genocide joe is a russian bot, then you’re far too immature to be using any website other than reddit.
You call them immature in the same sentence as literally name calling like a school bully.
I mean if the man supports genocide it’s fair to call him that.
Liberals are fine with warcrime when their side is doing it. Meanwhile, under their Biden, American soldiers are setting themselves afire.
If they get trump they will have nobody to blame but themselves.
I mean, why wouldn’t it be? There is nothing stopping bad faith actors from participating. The only reason they wouldn’t is if there was little value in doing so.
What about the people like me who are just tired of liberal astroturfing? One can hate putin and that lesser-evil bullcrap you know
Lemmy’s so small I have my doubts it’s that widespread. We have a good amount of extreme left true believers here.
Gonna be like this every election year from here on out.
Because real, reasonable people can’t disagree with this? Many people would say that this doesn’t go far enough as it doesn’t condemn third party voters for just “throwing their vote away.”
Imagine thinking that the only people who hold a position you don’t like are Russian bots and not real people who actually believe shit.
Yup. Anyone who thinks differently than you do is a bot and/or explicitly supportive if Russia.
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I’ll start voting if they get rid of party primaries.
You must like the ass blaster 5000 more than the whips because you scream less.
