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Dead by Daylight anyone?
Some of the most toxic pieces of shit up at the higher “ranks.”
That’s because the developers are toxic pieces of shit. It works its way down.
There is the other side. When everyone is playing so badly that there is no fun at all. Even on the ranks. All your efforts go down the toilet.
What game does this happen with?
I’d say League. Games may not start that way but they can end up that way pretty quickly. Like, people can play well in certain states. Once they get out of that state they may pay like shit. E.g get killed twice in quick succession and they start doubting themselves or playing to aggressive trying to catch back up and keeping making mistakes as a result.
Being able to keep a level head is as much a skill as anything else.
Fair point.
It does make me think how many people would describe a good player as a overly competitive player. It’s completely subjective and up for interpretation
Folks who play professionally are often both. I don’t think that’s really all that subjective.
Valorant in a nutshell. Play Spike Rush or Swift Play to warm up and get better. People on mic or in All chat saying things like “tryhard!” as if the point of the game isn’t to try to win.
What does play for “fun” mean in a pvp game other than beating your opponent?
Depends on the game. Chess is 0% based on luck, but in i.e: Age of Empires II the randomness of the starting map affects a lot in the outcome of the game. It’s not like you beat your opponent fully thanks to your skills. It’s more having fun discovering the map each time and be more competitive in the endgame.
People are ignoring that just the act of playing the game can be fun. On top of that, getting better yourself or pulling off certain maneuvers can be fun, or even appreciating what the opponents are doing. I had a lot of fun playing rocket league with a friend, even if outmatched, and getting scored on an opponent who pulled off an aerial into top corner made me appreciate what they just did.
Maybe also take a page from dwarf fortress players: Losing is fun!
The difference to be is when people start whining because you’re not playing the “meta”, or start yelling at teammates when they make a mistake. Even if you’re all about climbing the ranks, there’s fun and polite ways to guide people without ruining the experience for everyone.
Some people have fun by trolling. Some people have fun by winning. Online games are meant to be played with friends if one doesn’t want to encounter toxicity.
After a while, you’ll find that those “friends” will:
- not be available at the same time you want to play.
- won’t have the game in their library.
- won’t necessarily want to play the way you want to
You get your gaming sessions where you can, or not at all.
I believe that is called having friends. Not clones of yourself. I’ve made plenty of friends online that we just played a game together and when we were done with the game we never talked to each other again. Played with some friends raiding in wow for years and at the end we were just done. It’s the cycle of gaming friends.
And my irl friends don’t always play the same games but they are not “friends” they are friends. We have different ideas of what types of games are fun.
Online games are meant to be played with friends if one doesn’t want to encounter toxicity.
OR, companies can hire GMs and police their online environments, instead of just trying to increase quarterly profits.
And this why I just don’t play online multiplayer games. I’ll do couch co-op or co-op with a friend but never with strangers.
Check out guild wars 2. Yes it is mmo but the pve side is about as laid back as you can get. You literally don’t have to talk to anyone if you don’t want. Or you can find a group and play pve. Or you can try pvp, but I’ve never tried that side of it.
pvp is very toxic, but a player never has to go into it, however a user has to go into WvW if they want. legendaries strictly for Gift of Battle.
Good to know about the legendary items
I heard sPvP is toxic but I have not played that. For WvW it depends on the server/commander/guild. There are certainly commander being very aggressive about getting the absolute maximum out of it but it also ranges to “just follow me so at least have a larger group”.
And yeah, PvE is pretty chill. I find it fascinating time and time again at AB that it is possible to speed through it without any communication.
Sorry not sure what AB is
Sorry, AB is short for “Auric Basin”. Or more specifically, its map meta event.
Edit: To elaborate there are some more map meta event short names:
spoiler
- AB: Aurric Basin
- DS: Dragon Storm
- THP: Thunderhead Peaks (Keep/North; Oil/South)
- DBS: Death Branded Shatterer
Helldivers 2 has been greast for this. I can play lower difficulties solo and when my friends are online I’ll play with whomever’s available.
Stop wasting time on Lemmy and get back to spreading freedom and democracy soldier. Those bugs and robots aren’t going to get a taste of Liber-tea by themselves.
And hopefully tomorrow we get some shiny new toys to play with.
I feel like I’ve missed out on so many potentially great games because of this.
Played WoW on PC and encountered twinks, PvP spammers/snipers, loot ninjas etc and just had enough.
Normal person + anonymity + audience = fuckwit
Whenever I buy a game with an online component I feel like I’m just wasting half of that money.
It doesn’t matter the domain, on a long enough time frame, humans will take the fun activity they made and, in their quest to maximize/extract fun from it, destroy it.
Professional sports/games are oxymorons. When no one playing is having fun, the point is lost.
Our addiction to making everything in life into a serious competition against one another will be our end.
… We’re talking about video games. People can have fun being hyper competitive or have fun being casual. I don’t know what the fuck is up with this site all this hyper dramatic “absolutist” type bullshit, as if shades of grey for any situation simply don’t exist. Damn bro. If anyone is getting self important, it’s you writing this comment.
Don’t even get me fuckin started on the professional athletes bit, Jesus Christ
What does “overcompetitive” mean here? Is it a player silently trying their best or those toxic players that try to tell you how you should be playing?
I think you answered your own question!
Just because it seems obvious to me, I don’t assume I’m right, hence my question. However thank you for your answer that seems to confirm what I thought its the “telling” folks being called out here.
The second one
This post is talking about the second one but I have definitely been called try hard just because I’m quietly and politely trying my best in a non-ranked game and the other team doesn’t like losing.
Me: Plays offline multiplayer with AI-Controlled Players(Also Known as Multiplayer Bots)
9 times outta 10 when I see someone complaining about the overcompetitive player, the overcompetitive player is just winning while the dude playing for fun is getting destroyed, then whining about “try hards.”
The most annoying thing about playing with competitive gamers isn’t losing. It’s the cheesing, exploits, lack of variety due to meta, micromanaging from teammates, etc…
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Im gonna disagree, I think a large portion of online gamers are not healthily competitive and many of them make the game worse for the ones who just want to have some casual fun.
No, it’s a different mentality. There’s the player who dies, laughs, then respawns. Then there’s the player that can never die without blaming someone else. The enemy tactics were cheap, they were hacking, the game is unbalanced, their teammates fucked up, etc. It’s infuriating to deal with. Instant block when I run into these overgrown children.
Yeah… That’s the 10th player in the “9 out 10” or the whiner who is complaining about the “try hards” I already mentioned.
The most fucking annoying thing about TF2 is how the two gamemodes are now shitposting and comp, and I blame the idiot who named it ‘casual’. There’s no space where you can just play the damn game with people making a good-faith attempt to win, except in comp, which is, well, comp.
What it needs is a three way split: silly, serious and competitive.
Silly, tryhards pretending to not care, sweaty
One of the reasons I quit playing League is the Silly game modes all became sweaty mode over time.
ARAM is for troll builds, not people who just suck at laning.
That was what I really loved about Halo back in the day. You had a clear division of social playlists (serious), ranked (competitive) and the various more-or-less wacky modes (Infection, Grifball, Fiesta, whatever). Also, Slayer and objective types were kept separate. Something for everyone!
These things still exist in modern Halo but it’s not as well communicated in my opinion.
Try going on Uncletopia servers. The skill jump is kind of high but it fits what you’re looking for. I consider it a casual+ experience.
You will always find some of the most toxic overcompetitive people in the unranked social lobbies.
wait, you play apex?
Meanwhile I have all chat disabled, jumping into comp games to throw
Well, this image summarized how I look at all professionals at a specific game regardless of how they actually are like.
Something I’ve realized over the years playing high reaction multiplayer games is that there’s a very real chance the person freaking out over a missed score or a loss in chat is super high on coke, meth, or A LOT of adderall. The amount of hard stimulant addicts I’ve spoken with who frequent rocket league or quake-esque game deathmatches is crazy.
Back when I played OSRS a lot I ended up playing a few nights with one of the big PVP clans here and there. Most of the people were meth heads or pill addicts just spewing the craziest shit. I made decent loot with them but having to be in a call with a bunch of meth heads wasn’t worth it.
