Isn’t there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you’re all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.
WHY?
It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.
You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that’s how you know you’re reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.
Also, counter narratives are great because you don’t have to substantiate anything. ’ ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ’ - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I’ve been on the other side of that. It’s a brilliant rhetorical tactic.
You don’t even have to keep arguing, you can just post ‘sounds dumb’ or ‘bad argument’ or nothing at all and just leave!
Bots wouldn’t exist if posting comments on the internet didn’t do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.
Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.
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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao
Our local lemmy tankie brigade are strangely indifferent to the doings of Trump and his fascist oligarch regime, but they are positively obsessed with the Democrats, even as the Trump regime is doing its best to ensure that elections and thus the Democrats will not be a thing in the future.
They will also claim to care about genocides, but they are not only strangely indifferent to the genocide occurring against the Ukrainians, they will happily regurgitate the Putin talking points used as an excuse for it.
These people are not really “the left”, they are authoritarians. They do care about any left wing issues, they do not care about the rights of the exploited and the weak, and they do not fear fascism, they are just mad that it isn’t themselves who are sitting in power right now.
Democrats are dumb enough to think that the main problem is that Americans won’t elect a woman, and won’t try a third time. Then they’ll find someone conservative and claim this is the only way to win over Republicans.
But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.
Is a difficult subject because on a personal level I’ve lost dear friends to insane propaganda, and I still haven’t forgiven myself for not being able to save them from it - and I’ll probably never forgive them for it either. They were supposed to be smart.
People think I’m smart but I fall for stuff too. In media, the existing weapons can be stronger than the defenses, and sometimes that’s all there is to it. Modern media makes the greatest aspirations of MK Ultra look like child’s play.
I’m still not convinced memes aren’t a great filter, unless great filter theory is just another shitty meme.
To sum up, people did vote objectively incorrectly. The Democratic party however is not guilt free. The whole system is built on violence, and that grim old tree won’t bear fruit unless you water it.
Not a chance in Hell Gavin gets it
it will be interesting to see who their media will be blaming since the anti-genocide and LGBTQ+ people will be either in prison or deported or stripped from their rights to vote.
Yes, let’s get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they’ll do!
It’s truly the “progressive” way. That and never actually voting in a primary.
harm reduction is a thing that you can support.
If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we’re fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.
If we want to make it more likely for a progressive to win the nomination, taking grassroots action now can make a big difference.
Are you looking to get involved to make a difference in the two party system? Get more progressives in office? Enable progressives to be the future face of the Democrat Party in your state? Then the biggest thing I can recommend would be joining an organization such as the Equal Vote Coalition. Their goal is to get better voting systems in place across the country, moving away from First Past the Post which has locked us into our two party system. Alaska and Maine have already succeeded in moving away from First Past the Post voting.
If we take action now, we can potentially get the voting system changed locally or on the state level for many of us before the midterm elections. Then as we continue to make progress, by the time 2028 rolls around we could safely pick our preferred candidates first and have safe backup candidate options so our preferred candidate(s) have a much greater chance at winning.
Help start a ballot initiative in your state here.
Whoever it is, they need to be charismatic and young (for a politician). AOC would work in that sense.
I actually think Kamala worked too. Her non-election was due to other reasons, mostly Biden’s mistakes and that fucking assassination attempt. That shooter fucked up in so many levels, I hope he’s being tortured somewhere.
He’s dead
Oh, I forgot somehow. Too bad.
Because DNC are controlled opposition.
This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.
But does anyone really think we’re going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?
I don’t find very much interesting about this conversation anymore. If it can even be called that. American politics is like scripted television drama. It’s quite fitting. Except it’s so predictable. It’s the same script on loop.
The system was already rigged, of course. Electoral college, absentee cancelations, felons disqualified. It was broken before so even if things stayed the same (which they won’t) it’ll still be broken.
I do expect elections to continue. Just much less honestly.
And what you said doesn’t even include the voter roll purges which as a citizen and voter of an actually democratic country is mind boggling that it’s a thing.
Yes, well have a next election. Not because our democracy is that strong, but because trump and Co are that weak
They will try to rig our next election, no doubt. I’m just confident theyll lose so bad there’s no rigging it
Who’s they?
“They” being tens of millions of voters in the primaries. You could be one of them, maybe?
The DNC throws their weight behind the candidate of their choosing. And that’s enough to sway people away from the progressive candidates.
Progressives also don’t vote in primaries.
Gestures at 2016 Democratic Primary
The one where Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders 16,917,853 (55.2%) to 13,210,550 (43.1%)? Certainly better than the 2020 primaries that Biden won 19 million to Bernie 9 million with Elizabeth Warren 2 million. 2024 was their incumbent year so not worth mentioning.
Why are you counting votes after his campaign was suspended?
DNC primaries are run in such an idiotic manner, Bernie had won multiple states where Biden hadn’t even been top 3, then there’s some back room dealing where every other candidate except the other semi progressive sounding one drops out to manufacture a Biden win in one state and they declare him the winner. Bernie suspends his campaign…All before half the country even had a chance to voice their opinion.
We let the same 12 states pick the candidate every fucking time. It’s asinine. It was an obvious attempt to rig things. And then people like you tout these inflated numbers where most of the country only had one actual active candidate running when they voted.
Oh no! You’ve figured it out. It’s all true, Chuck Schumer points a gun at each and every one of our heads inside the ballot booth. That’s why they never host the primaries at the same time. /Sarcasm
A lot more people than the DNC are blaming people for not voting Democrat & sticking us with this shithole administration. It was a huge no-brainer.
The democrats are objectively better for the majority of the population. Science has a liberal bias and all that.
What many of the dem leaders and commentors are missing is that’s not enough. Blaming and shaming people online, even if you’re right which as I covered you objectively are, isn’t going to win the election. A lot of people voted for Trump because they feel left out and unheard. Maybe they should be, after all some of them hold dangerous ideas like climate change denial or think giving underrepresented people’s a chance is unfair.
But that’s just not enough. Being right isn’t enough. Pointing out their idiocy only serves to entrench them and scare away moderates. You might say, not voting means they’re dumb, right or wrong that comment doesn’t help your cause. Being objectively correct didn’t win the last election. Until the democrats acknowledge that optics are more import than correctness they’re going to fight an uphill battle. A very steep one.
