• aceshigh@lemmy.world
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    Is this an actual law suit by an actual person or from a Jane doe? If this is an actual person, this mom needs to start parenting their kid instead of making everyone else responsible for her kid.

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      I replied elsewhere, but this is a manufactured case. The goal is to get it in front of the supreme court and get a blanket ban on all porn. This is one of the top objectives of project 2025

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      The plantiff is unnamed. This is a manufactured case to test getting the supreme court to pass a blanket ban on all porn.

  • BeBopALouie@lemmy.ca
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    Kids need an outlet or they look for the real thing, not in a good way. Let them have their sites. Like anything in moderation though or only net porn will get you off later in life.

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    I don’t understand how these kids get caught. They gotta be really slow or something.

    I was caught 0 times as a teenager. My mom never found my porn.

    My brother was caught a few times. My cousin was caught in the damn car on a family vacation with OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CAR just yanking his noodle under a blanket.

    I was so cautious as a kid. I guess because I was caught and thoroughly shamed when I was about 4 years old. Maybe that’s why I never got caught when I was old enough for it to matter. That shame gave me a lifelong lesson.

    I had a motion detecting toy dinosaur at the bottom of the stairs. When someone approached the stairs it would go, “raaaaaawr, raaaaaawr” and I’d be sitting at the foot of the bed reading a book by the time someone got upstairs.

    If they suspected anything, didn’t matter. I was reading.

    When I got high speed internet (as it was called in those days) I threw out the tapes and magazines. I had a separate hard drive I’d plug into my computer juuuuuust in case, and since I was always messing with and tearing into my computer, my mom never found anything. That drive had Linux, my mom was scared of Linux.

    Now that I think about it, holy shit they fucked me up haha.

    When they caught me as a little guy my mom said, “oh shamy, shamy.” And my dad said, “you keep messing with that thing and it’ll fall off and you’ll turn into a girl.” They spent the whole day giving me that, “oh you shameful creature” look.

    Haha, man. Wow.

    Yeah, maybe my people just messed me up.

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      Yeah, maybe my people just messed me up.

      I’m pretty sure we’re now in a situation where most of our society’s contention is driven by childhood-induced shame over sexuality in some form or another.

      And there’s not shit we can do about it because every time someone tries to make a campaign to encourage better sex-education, or even scarier, sex positivity among children, those people or groups get attacked for being pedos and predators.

      This is going to be a social dividing line that gets sharper as time goes. There will be people who have a shred of intellectual capacity and haven’t been hollowed out be capitalism, who raise their kids to be free from shame and shackles of toxic social norms and let them just live and discover on their own what sexuality means to them.

      And the orcs, who want literal dark-ages levels of shame, hate and fear and of course power-imbalances as deeply rooted foundations to anything and everything related to sex, and they will only want children associated with sex when it involves controlling them or worse.

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        As a parent, I didn’t want to mess my kids up and make them feel shame about natural things. I don’t know what the right way is, but I have tried to avoid that.

        I have enough kids that I know some don’t do it early, some do.

        My approach has been, “hey, that’s a private thing and no one here wants to be a part of it. Go to your room and shut your door.”

        I have no idea if that’s right, and because of my own issues it doesn’t feel right, but that’s been my approach. I try to think about it logically and reasonably despite having to fight the feelings. My instinct was to say, “HEY! CUT IT OUT, THAT’S NASTY!!” All that did for me was give me an association with “nasty” and those feelings and all I had was my mind, and oh boy I wish I could erase the memory of the things I thought about as a kid.

        My daughter is 16, and she’s overly open with me to a level that makes me uncomfortable because she isn’t ashamed of herself.

        I also know that she will be healthy when she’s active because she feels comfortable talking to me.

        She broke up with a girlfriend for pressuring her, and she told her boyfriend that she understands why he wants to do that and why he thinks about it, but she isn’t ready and if he can’t handle that he can go find a girlfriend who is on his level about it.

        With my parents, you did not discuss such things. It was totally forbidden. As a result I had unprotected sex with multiple partners by the time I was 18 and I started when I was 13, started fooling around at about 9. I had some real weirdo adults in my life and I never talked to my parents about it because the thought of them knowing something so shameful about me was too heavy.

        I had my first child at 16 years old. I do not believe that would have happened if I had access to education and I could have talked to my parents without feeling shame.

        It feels like I’m going against my very nature when my daughter talks to me about things, but I grit my teeth and bare it, and she’s in a much safer and healthier place than I was at her age. She laughs and me because I blush and can barely look at her when she brings it up.

        Maybe I’m doing one thing right in a sea of things I’m definitely getting wrong haha.

        I believe we should feel shame about some things and that’s why we have to contend with it in the first place. We shouldn’t be ashamed of natural things though.

        We’re here because of a long line of creatures and people banging. I don’t know why we freak out about it so bad.

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          Let me tell you one thing: You’re doing alright.

          Having your kids feel safe enough to be open like that and yourself sticking to listening and being there is probably the best anyone can hope for.

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      A 30 year old friend of mine didn’t know about incognito mode. A certain subreddit popped up, on his projector screen, as a recommendation when we were searching for a sports stream to watch. I don’t think anyone else noticed or would really know what the sub was, but I later casually mentioned this really cool browser feature to use in case you need to search something weird.

      I learned one shouldn’t assume that everyone is familiar with all the digital tricks to hide what they’d prefer others not see.

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      I don’t understand how these kids get caught. They gotta be really slow or something.

      I was caught 0 times as a teenager. My mom never found my porn.

      Modern operating systems are different than Windows 98. You think that you’re sneeky and that nobody will find your porn folder and then your mom gets a “Popular files in your user group” mailing from “OneDrive Engagement” or a “Your browsing year wrap-up” by Microsoft Edge or a retargetting ad on the whole network because you looked at the Riley Reid fleshlight. Modern surveillance capitalism is really hard to escape.

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        I would wager that a lot more do.

        My mother got drunk one night and sat me on her bed and described in detail when she got raped as a teenager, and the resulting abortion and the details of how that went. I was eleven.

        Of course, being a male I can’t go around talking about the lasting effects of many such incidents that happened to me, and I’m not really expected to even connect those things to any feelings about sexual shame. So instead what it does, and what it does to many men who had any kind of sexual trauma, is we just block out the incidents and internalize the feelings and associations inward and it just wrecks our self-esteem, our standards for ourselves and our perceptions of attractiveness in ourselves.

        A lot of guys process this in different ways, and trauma like this can take many forms. But it’s often expressed as later over-compensation and bravado and an image of being “in control” sexually and performative masculinity and hyper-objectifying notions of sexuality, or for more people I suspect, just an internal, festering self-esteem that doesn’t want them to be happy or feel good about themselves. For every loud, angry incel, I suspect there are thousands of men who have the same background or traumas and they just sit quietly on it forever and it robs them of joy.

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          That’s some dangerous assumptions you’re making here… Just because there’s a vocal minority that seems to fit the painting you’ve pictured doesn’t mean that it’s valid. It could easily be argued the complete opposite that those who had shame about the incident would hold onto it, internalize it… and never talk about it again. It can easily go both ways here.

          But my statement was more of an answer to the implicit question of “why did I get the lifelong lesson when the others around me clearly didn’t?”… That answer could be because a lot of people just don’t feel shame. Doesn’t have to be “they gotta be really slow or something”. They didn’t get the lesson… they felt no shame.

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      I had an Irish Catholic nun, with the headdress and nun robes on and everything, tell my class we’d go blind and grow hair on our hands. She was making scarry eyes and jazz hands while she said it. It was a sex ed course and her #1 message to all of us jr high boys was wearing deodorant and scrub your ass in the shower. In retrospect, I think she said that in such a cartoonish manner because she knew it was ridiculous, and really she just didn’t want to gag from the stench after phys ed.

      That same nun told me her favorite band was "those good Irish boys with the rap music, I just wish they’d pick a more respectful name than ‘beasty boys’ "

      We were all sneaking looks at each other’s hands for at least a month after that though.

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      “you keep messing with that thing and it’ll fall off and you’ll turn into a girl”

      On one hand, fucking horrible thing to say on a child

      On the other… probably would not have the effect they would intend on a certin chunk of the population lmao

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        “So anyway, that was the beginning of my transition journey and also how I became an absolute master of giving HJs.”

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      You had enough motivation and technical knowledge, that’s why. Most people don’t even bother having separate storage with dual booting.

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    Yeah, I can imagine having a mother like that would make it so that you can’t enjoy life, damn.

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    His first name starts with a Q?! That poor kid, imagine getting your porn preference blasted into the news by your mom and then you also have a Q in your name. Mom should be sued for child abuse

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    “Mom” isn’t doing this unless she’s uber rich. Someone is bankrolling her to try to set precedent.

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      Anti-masturbation shaming and lawfare and the idea that you can blame all your problems on it is a mainstay of the religious right playbook.

      They then hold the forever frustrated subject in a mental shame prison they can never escape but above which they can self righteously judge everyone else and feel they know the real reason why everything is messed up. A similar self sealing logic as the conspirationnists.

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      Ding Ding Ding! You Win!

      Mom is joined in her lawsuit by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE).

      https://endsexualexploitation.org/

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_on_Sexual_Exploitation

      The National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE), previously known as Morality in Media and Operation Yorkville, is an American conservative anti-pornography organization.[2][3] The group has also campaigned against sex trafficking, same-sex marriage, sex shops and sex toys, decriminalization of sex work, comprehensive sex education, and various works of literature or visual arts the organization has deemed obscene, profane or indecent. Its current president is Marcel Van der Watt. The organization describes its goal as “exposing the links between all forms of sexual exploitation”.[4]

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    “Q.R., using his mother’s old laptop, had unfettered access to the internet and began searching for hardcore pornography,” says the court. His mom claims this led to “pain, suffering, disability, disfigurement, and mental anguish; psychological injury; past and future love of enjoyment and pleasure of living.”

    It’s not the internet making your son feel those things, it’s you.

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        Well she is, but also the law states she can get compensation if an adult site doesn’t age restrict minors.

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        Negligent is the word you’re looking for. And her child should be removed and put in a safe environment. At the least she should have to pay a fine and attend classes and child protection should make visits.

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      His mom claims this led to “…; past and future love of enjoyment and pleasure of living.”

      So the mom is suing Chaturbate, et al., because she thinks they’re going to cause her son to enjoy life in the future? Is that the mental gymnastics going on here?

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        I think it’s just poorly written pseudo-legalese, and it’s intended to mean that he will be unable to enjoy life in the future because of the psychological damage that poor is doing to him (unrealistic expectations and mental harm, et cetera).

        While porn addiction and unrealistic ideas of beauty and sex are genuinely real things that happen, the way to prevent that is with frank, open discussions about sex and pornography, not trying to prevent your 14 year old from masturbating. I was a 14 year old boy at one point, and lemme tell you, nothing could stop me from masturbating. Nothing. It’s just not going to happen. Kids will find ways to find porn, and if somehow we completely do away with it entirely (again, won’t happen), they’ll find new ways, and they’ll read and write erotica or get into hentai or whatever. This woman is insane, Kansas is insane, and so are all the other states imposing this bullshit

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          Like you said, it’s never going to stop, and if they destroy access to all the ones who comply with legal requirements then the only ones left available will be the sketchy ones that don’t. I don’t think that’s where you want kids going, so just get the fuck out of the way and let the parents handle it.

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    Jeebus, I need backup plans for Friday nights.

    Page 8 & 9 of the court filing (not the article):

    Through this time, Q.R. was able to access chaturbate.com on thirty different instances: […] seven instances on August 30, 2024 […]

    Bruh, make sure to hydrate.

    Page 13, absolutely fascinating to me that “prays for judgement” is stated and whether that is at all common:

    Plaintiff prays for judgment against Defendants in an amount in excess of $75,000.00 for: a. actual damages resulting from Q.R.’s access to material that is harmful to minors, including but not limited to past medical expenses, future medical expenses, past and future lost services and disability, past and future pain, suffering, and disability […]

    Page 15, looking for more details on alleged “disfigurement”:

    As a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ negligence, Plaintiff has suffered and will continue in the future to suffer the following damages: a. Pain, suffering, disability, disfigurement, and mental anguish […]

    It goes on to talk about pornography causing a shift in perspective on sex and possibly leading to addiction. Not finding anything specific on the alleged “disfigurement”.

    I’m left to assume poor Q.R. will have to deal the rest of his life with the friction burns caused by jerkin’ it 7+ times on August 30, 2024.

    His mom also demanded a jury trial, so Q.R. can rest easy knowing 12 strangers will hear about his friction burns and give it the serious attention due.

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        Ty! TIL. I’ve probably seen it many times before, but it only jumped out at me this time given the Olathe, KS setting and strong fundie Christian vibes.

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      This was so hilariously stated - and your comment is quite thought-provoking.

      I can’t imagine how this poor teenager will think of his mother over time.

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        I can’t imagine how this poor teenager will think of his mother over time.

        Not well, this much is certain.

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        Bet that kid is counting the days until he’s legally an adult and can get away from her.

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      Surely you cannot sue someone for future injuries where the future injuries are entirely unevidenced. There would have to be some kind of medical assessment that said that this kid is going to suffer ongoing injuries and I can’t imagine they have such an assessment.

      Maybe the counter argument should be that this kid’s mom should attempt to get him on disability payments, and only if he’s able to get on that, will they accept liability. There is zero chance of that happening.

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        Agreed. As a lawyer friend once told me, “you can sue someone for damn near anything. It doesn’t mean you’ll win”.

        I imagine the “disability and disfigurement” will get sussed out at some point and either backed up w some sort of evidence, or taked out from the rest of the complaint.

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      As a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ negligence, Plaintiff has suffered and will continue in the future to suffer the following damages: a. Pain, suffering, disability, disfigurement, and mental anguish […]

      More likely a direct result of his mom being a fucking psycho.