*bombs peaceful country. “Now’s the time for peace.” 🫲🍊🫱
Which peaceful country are you talking about?
I’m totally against the bombing, but let’s not pretend or imply Iran is peaceful.
Iran is shitty and repressive and fucking awful to their people
But geopolitically they’re a pretty good neighbor. The only person who ever got them to be aggressive was that guy, famous romance novelist, forget his name.
Like the Austrian dude who keeps women in his basement but always pays his share and half of yours when the fence gets old
But geopolitically they’re a pretty good neighbor
Fucking what.
Iran should not have been bombed by this administration. But they’re the only force in the region worse than the Saudis for funding proxies and shipping paramilitaries to attack their enemies.
I’ll admit that I’m not very clear on what their peoxies actually do? Setting aside the obvious Assad (which, yeah youre right, that’s sure as hell not peaceful) what are they doing with those people?
What do you mean “what are they doing with those people”?
They support their catspaws militarily. Training, supplies, and direct action - as the IRGC in particular has been caught time and time again fighting directly in service to various Iranian-linked militias in conflict zones, including Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, and Afghanistan.
No like, what are those militias actually doing after getting Iranian training and supplies? I mean Iraq for example isn’t exactly in active conflict right?
No like, what are those militias actually doing after getting Iranian training and supplies?
Fighting. Killing. Torturing. Intimidating their enemies and local governments. What militias and other paramilitaries in conflict zones generally do. They aren’t sitting around, polishing their rifles and fetching cats from trees, if that’s what you’re thinking.
I mean Iraq for example isn’t exactly in active conflict right?
Hundreds still die in ongoing sectarian conflict in Iraq every year, and Iranian-backed militias (most of which were supported and became powerful by Iran’s influence in the past two decades, not recently) muscling in by forces of arms is a major political issue.
to attack their enemies
Oh who are their enemies?
Oh who are their enemies?
Most of the Middle East outside of North Africa. Lebanon, Jordan, the Saudis et co, Syria now, hot-cold relationship with Iraq. Israel, obviously; but less obviously, also Fatah. Ukraine, bizarrely enough, which has a dozen IRGC kills to their military’s name.
So smaller list than the Zionist terrorists. Who we arm.
So smaller list than the Zionist terrorists. Who we arm.
Israel’s current list of enemies is, what? Iran, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and the Houthis? Egypt and the Saudis et co are anything but enemies of Israel at present. Iraq desperately wants to stay out of the whole mess even as both sides trade missiles over Iraqi airspace.
Israel is committing genocide, which is a bit of a bigger deal than ‘merely’ supporting genocides and destabilizing governments for lunatic theocratic reasons. If you’re going to contrast Israel negatively with Iran, use that, not the comparable length of their list of enemies.
I mean Iran is, for the most part, pretty peaceful. They pretty much only attack when attacked.
I mean Iran is, for the most part, pretty peaceful. They pretty much only attack when attacked.
What the ever-loving fuck.
Yeah like when women aren’t wearing headscarves
As I said to the other guy, that is literally not what the word peaceful means. You can be tyrannical and still peaceful, especially since the context obviously implies they’re talking about Iranian foreign policy.
Iran’s foreign policy isn’t peaceful either, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_diplomat_terror_plot_trial; just because they don’t operate in the open doesn’t mean it’s peaceful.
I mean otherwise you could make similar claims about the US. Such a peaceful country! It wasn’t them overthrowing the legitimately elected governments, but local resistance groups! Who trained and armed them? How does this relate to the conversation?
Weird how nobody notices this until it’s useful to criticize someone the Americans want war with.
Then they forget once the war starts in earnest and never fix the problem
You should put something between the link and the semicolon, otherwise it breaks the link. That aside, while that is certainly not very peaceful, it strikes me as not relevant to the context of countries lobbing bombs at each other.
You should put something between the link and the semicolon, otherwise it breaks the link.
It works both on Voyager and the web client for me
That aside, while that is certainly not very peaceful, it strikes me as not relevant to the context of countries lobbing bombs at each other.
It isn’t relevant to the bombing really, and if you go back in the discussion you’ll see that I stated this (edit: or rather that I’m against bombing Iran). This was only in response to the implication that Iran is peaceful.
Yes this is all to protect the women of Iran.
If you think so… I never said it is, this was purely objecting to the statement that Iran is a peaceful country. It’s a repressive regime that finances insurgent groups to put it lightly. Does that justify the attack that just happened? No. But still doesn’t make Iran peaceful
Weird how you only talk about the violence and terrorism of one side here
I have also accused the US of it in this very thread, but in order to understand it, you’d need reading comprehension skills
Also nobody has called “the other side” peaceful, so there’s no need for a rebuttal
maybe if we overthrow their government for oil money–again–they’ll be more peaceful?
It’s a recipe for success!
like my second marriage! it cant fail twice i tells ya
I just checked out of interest and in fact second marriage have a higher divorce rate, I’d have thought it’s the other way round, like people know what they actually want from a spouse, but interestingly, it’s the other way around by a significant margin.
dang thats depressing actually. Some people do treat marriage like their video games and speed run them though.
Iran is peaceful?
Damn, I need some of the kool aid you’re drinking.
A peaceful country doesn’t kill women for not wearing a rapist apologist costume.
You can, in fact, do that and still be a peaceful country. That’s not what the word peaceful means.
You can’t have peace and be oppressing people, not really. If the oppressed stand up to the oppression, there will be fighting. So, it’s more like the early stages of a fight. The same as when you’re starting a campfire and you get a few embers, it’s not really a campfire yet, but it’s still a fire. In this case, the embers may last a long time, but the full fire is coming.
Also, in the definition of peace is tranquility. Oppression and tranquility do not overlap.
I think your take is probably just antiquated and contains a bit of sexism, homophobia, and racism. I don’t mean to say that you are those things, but the roots of that take come from that position. You may have just adopted a take that was already out there and didn’t challenge its premise at the time.
Peaceful in terms of recent events in the last few days against them.
Words are just a vibe to you, aren’t they?
A peaceful country doesn’t kill its citizens.
So you’re just an incredibly pedantic anarchist, and we stand together against the fundamental nature of the state?
Im down but maybe don’t single out iran; idk if you’re a ‘no war but class war’ type, but this shit is how you get ww3.
I wish I could get Democrats to care about war and military over-spending when a Republican isn’t in charge.
Have you tried not drinking “both sides” republican whataboutism propaganda?
Apparently, the entire multi-year fight resulting in hundreds-of-billions cut from the military budget by Obama is all forgotten as soon as people want to beat the “DEMS BAD” drum.
Nope, sorry.
Also, how dare you not vote for them (even if you did, it’s your fault they lost because you wanted better)
One day America will be nothing but a bad memory for humanity.
One can dream.
If we don’t fuck up the climate too badly.
Hey, what’s our high score so far?
Now where is my 5 trump peace prizes
Five easy peaces? They’re between your knees
Why is the intern here with the vice president
Have you said “Thank you”?
That’s what JD Vance looks like? /s
Thanks
Now give us your rare earth minerals
No
But he lowered egg prices by 400%. I mean, no idea how that works, but he did it.
I still remember you shitting on Biden constantly when he was the best president since Carter.
Biden couldn’t even be bothered to push Israel to let a proper amount of aid in and pretend a temporary ceasefire in Gaza for his election chances. What makes you think he wouldn’t have salivated at his master Netanyahu ringing the bell for his dog to bomb Iran for him?
Biden was very far from perfect but he was still better than the low bar set for him which is what the other guy implied.
Plus I have zero reason to believe Biden would have bombed Iran because he’s actually intelligent, Trump did it because he was told it would make Iran come to the peace talks and he believed it because he’s a fucking potato
The democratic election platform accused Trump of being weak for not using the military enough and praised examples of Bidens use of military threat and force against Iran. See my other comment.
Well Biden didn’t bomb Iran so there’s that.
This is the Democratiic parties election platform 2024 (see P82/P83):
Through aggressive diplomacy backed by U.S. military power, the Administration has worked alongside our allies and partners to deter and defend against Iran and its terrorist surrogates. President Biden has postured U.S. military forces in the region and authorized precision airstrikes on key Iranian-linked targets tied to attacks against U.S. troops to deter further aggression by Iran. President Biden has also continued to protect the American people from terrorism, authorizing military strikes that took out ISIS emirs and the leader of Al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri. In response to brazen attacks by Iranian-linked Houthi forces against international commercial shipping, U.S. naval vessels in the Red Sea, and Israel, President Biden ordered military strikes, alongside key allies, against Houthi targets and organized Operation Prosperity Guardian, a coalition of more than 20 nations committed to defending international shipping and deterring Houthi attacks.
When Iran launched more than 300 missiles and drones against Israel in April 2024, President Biden led an unprecedented defensive coalition – together with partners from Europe and across the Middle East – to defeat the attack, protect Israel, and stop the spread of a wider war. Through direct defensive action by the U.S. military and its partners, Iranian munitions did not cause significant damage, demonstrating both America’s ironclad commitment to the security of Israel and our unrivaled ability to leverage growing regional integration among U.S. partners to counter Iranian aggression.
All of this stands in sharp contrast to Trump’s fecklessness and weakness in the face of Iranian aggression during his presidency. In 2018, when Iranian-backed militias repeatedly attacked the U.S. consulate in Basra, Iraq Trump’s only response was to close our diplomatic facility.
They are literally calling Trump “weak” for not engaging militarily enough.
Still doesn’t change the fact that Biden didn’t bomb them.
So if it was Biden in power now, would you defend Trump as “didn’t bomb them”?
Yes in a completely made-up situation I might react differently.
What a strange way to spell geriatric war criminal
I mean TBF they’re all geriatric war criminals. Except Obama, who was a spry and youthful war criminal.
Yes, I did. Genocide Joe is not the best president since Carter.
Yeah? Who is?
I’m unsurprised that r2o won’t answer this question.
I would prefer a used sock
I don’t remember us electing a used sock since Carter.
He was though, even with the genocide. The bar was that low, it’s not that complicated.
How’s that genocide looking now?
Genocide is ok when they’re, you know… gestures vaguely
