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    Why isn’t Biden out there reminding everyone of this?? People think he haen’t done anything because he’s doing zero chest beating, which is what you WANT to do to win over the morons not paying attention.

    Yet again, Democrats prove themselves to be garbage politicians, yet idiots CONSTANTLY defend Democrats for utterly failing to take ANY win.

    This is all so fucking pathetic, watching people argue about which pile of shit they want to step in to.

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      He is doing all that. How many of his speeches and campaign stops and addresses are you watching? How many White House Press briefings do you watch? How many press releases do you read every day? On the one hand the media doesn’t do a great job reporting, on the other hand a lot of us don’t pay attention. Or we’re just not paying attention to the media sources that actually cover these things.

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        Why is he only saying it in stupid nirmal ways? Why doesn’t he have everyone browbeating reporters with it? Nobody fails to hear what Trump does, whether they want to or not. Biden does nothing to help himself beyond the “normal” political crap, and that OBVIOUSLY is not how the game is played these days.

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          The fact that everything trump does gets media coverage is because everything he does is bat shit insane and will get viewers, which is their goal…which is a serious failing of modern journalism.

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      He’s finally starting to gently point it out, but this lack of messaging is more about how the DNC is total dogshit at messaging.

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      Maybe because chest-thumping is childish, and most adults would rather focus on doing a good job than bragging about doing a good job.

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    he constantly flirted with WW3

    How?

    If we were flirting with ww3 before, what would you say the current president is doing today?

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        “You don’t think this is a result of decades long fucked up relationship between US and Israel, driven by almost all political and administrative entities from both DNC and GOP, and not just Biden?”

        “yOu ArE gEnOcIdE eNaBlEr!!11!”

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            That’s not what they said at all.

            You are mixing up “the way it is” with “the way it should be”. They are speaking to the way it is not trying to argue that it should be that way because we always have.

            It’s simply stating a fact. The US has a multiple decades long bromance with Israel and the unsettling truth is that we both love doing the whole industrial war machine killing and genocide thing. A lot. Slavery, Trail of Tears, Vietnam, Banana Republics, Tuskegee, Iraq, Afghanistan, and on and on. And you’re gonna sit there and tell me it’s Biden’s fault alone that Israel is doing a genocide? And that he alone can somehow stop them after decades of doing it too and backing them?

            Should Biden denounce the genocide? YES Should Biden at least stop sending munitions? YES Should Biden send in our troops to stop the IDF? Yes? No? Maybe? I don’t even know. Is he responsible for the genocide? NO

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              He supports the genocide by selling weapons to Israel. If he ever stops, I’ll stop saying he supports genocide.

              I didn’t say it was Biden’s fault alone.

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                Fair. And I agree.

                One thing that makes me bristle at the situation is that a lot of people are saying “he is doing the genocide so let’s elect Trump!”

                And I’m like wtf? No. He isn’t DOING the genocide, he is enabling it sure, but not doing it, and not voting for him to let Trump win is 100x worse.

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                  One thing that makes me bristle at the situation is that a lot of people are saying “he is doing the genocide so let’s elect Trump!”

                  And one thing that makes me bristle is when people assume that all opposition to the genocide is this. My position is that Biden is supporting Netanyahu’s genocide and that he should stop.

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              It’s so neat seeing the only policy centrists actually stand up for when they encounter pushback.

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        That’s why the cheesemakers are blessed, so that they’ll increase production which will result in lower cheese prices across the board.

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    I mean sure it looks good I guess but I’m not holding my breath that the White House office of gun violence prevention is going to stop mass shootings.

    All this stuff is designed to sound good on paper but then what’s the real impact?

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    I’m ready to get past trump so we can stop talking about trump. His cluster B narcissism is loving all this attention. Can’t wait to never hear about the fucker

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    I can still remember how the news in fucking Germany changed. Suddenly, once Biden was in office, we didn’t get US politics in our evening news multiple times per week anymore. The United States became silent again.

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        I long for the days when I thought government was boring and not worth my time. I know too much now too go all the way back, but it’s refreshing to have someone just quietly running the nation without starting a shitstorm every time their ego gets a little bit bruised.

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          It was always worth your time. The whole boomer mentality of not talking about politics is how we got into this mess.

          But I’m glad you’re with us now. The sane need all the help we can get.

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            The whole boomer mentality of not talking about politics is how we got into this mess.

            It’s part of it, but the bigger problem is that 99% of voters are content to just vote for their team color no matter how their legislator votes.

            There isn’t enough real accountability, and therefore, no impetus for meaningful change.

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              I didn’t vote in Bush v Gore. I remember asking a friend because I didn’t know the difference anyway.

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        We need to elect PhDs who have proven intellectual rigor and base decisions off data. The current setup is nothing more than a soap opera ran off corporate donations.

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          No, what we need is for all politicians to have served as teachers, professional childcare providers or medical professionals for at least five years before they can run for federal or state office.

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          We need to elect PhDs who have proven intellectual rigor

          You want Jordan Peterson? Because that’s how you get Jordan Peterson.

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            Not sure who that is but after a quick google I believe I understand your point. My idea that I’m trying to get across is that politicians are obsolete, we need PhDs who specialize is the dynamic systems involved in governing and balancing the many needs of the public. The current model promotes politicians who favor power and money / those who fund them. Throw in an uneducated public or the hyper-focused capitalist and trump is what you get. We’re not heading in the right direction with the current model.

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              Blind faith in technocratic ‘meritocracy’ just gets you guard rails and inclusivity stickers in the bootonyourthroat factory.

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          You don’t need PhDs presidents. You need to elect people who will listen to people with PhDs and other actual experts and do the right thing.

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    Ok. So orange man is a fucking maniac.

    But rejoining the Paris agreement is just dumb without intention or interest of fulfilling it. So many countries have signed it just for show. Leaving it and calling it bullshit virtue signalling is actually better.

    Look at the statistics for the countries. It’s not doing anything than green washing.

    The other points is probably true and great. But the Paris agreement is pure trash.

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    As someone who takes crazy pills every day, I am highly insulted that you associate me with the Trump administration.

    Furthermore, my nipples are in tune with God and tweaking them will grant you his holy message.

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    Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a “both sides” thing.

    I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.

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      There’s a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of “both sides” blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden “Genocide Joe” or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden’s policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump’s policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.

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        If Trump wins, he will outright ban the Democratic Party, if not at least make it SUPREMELY difficult for the party to be changed in any significant way for the better. I will only vote for Biden to buy a little more time in which for the more progressive wings of the Democratic Party to act. Technically, there’s nothing stopping our government from just Thanos snapping a party out of existence. I really would not want to see Trump snap his fingers and suddenly the only party with the means to oppose him just stops existing.

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        Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as “both sides”.

        Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.

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          Or they call you a Russian asset/plant/bot or whatever.

          Further, if you’re a wage earner, chances are pretty good nothing has happened under Biden to make meaningful positive change in your life, so why skip a day’s pay you desperately need in order to vote?

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            Unless you are in a union, have a child, drive an electric vehicle, did anything to make your home more energy efficient, want to avoid WW3, or benefit from a functional economy, Biden hasn’t done anything for most Americans.

            I have a lot of criticisms to make of Biden, but he’s the best president we’ve had in at least 50 years. That is sadly an incredibly low bar, but I think he’s cleared it. I think he could have handled Gaza a lot better, but I’m not sure it would have actually helped, and I’m pretty sure that no other recent president would have done much different.

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              I’m pretty sure that no other recent president would have done much different.

              If you’re a wage earner, he is exactly the same as a Republican.

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                If you mean he hasn’t personally come to your home and washed the dishes and played with the kids, yeah. Ok.

                For having not even two years to unfuck all the amazing bullshit Trump intentionally or incompetently caused with a Democratic house, he’s done amazingly well.

                And seriously “I’m a workin’ man he ain’t done nothin’ for me” is straight up talk radio garbage. Do you want examples? We got a bag full. But I’m guessing you don’t.

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          I have no problem with legitimate criticism. There’s plenty to criticize. However, when that criticism is derogatory, often baseless, and comes with the aforementioned attacks on voting, you bet your *** that there was nothing constructive about it.

          The only people propping up their argument these days with “both sides” are the willfully uneducated and the conservatives.

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            I’m willfully educated and a Bernie Democrat, and I’ve been accused of making “both sides” arguments many, many times. It’s almost a guarantee that it will come out in response to any criticism of Democrats.

            I don’t disagree about disengenuous conservatives making bad equivalency or “uni-party” arguments. However, it’s also true that the establishment consensus across both parties is very much outside the needs and desires of mainstream Americans.

            I’m just pointing out of that it’s really easy to accidentally throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it’s not in the long term interests of the Democratic party to derail serious criticism.

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              Show us this “serious criticism”. It needs to be:

              • sourced, or very well established facts, i.e. winner of an election (not including The Big Lie of course)
              • longer than one paragraph
              • have an original point

              Bernie Bros are a thing. Not that you’re a Bernie Bro, just that - Trump-supporting Bernie people most definitely exist and are famous for crapping in threads. As a Bernie person myself, I don’t mean offense, I’m saying it’s easy to say “hey i’m a progressive, but Biden sucks” and that’s actually what we’re calling out here. That’s a russian troll mainstay. Actual reasoned criticism is . . . rare at best.

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                Bernie Bros are a thing.

                Please try and apply your criteria to that statement. Write it up with multiple paragraphs with ample citations, add something original to it, then, frankly, shove it up your ass.

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        While I’m sure these trolls exist, I think there is still a minority that genuinely disliked the dems and don’t want to support genocide.

        My point is: everytime I see someone saying that lemmy is having a coordinated effort to trash Biden, it kind of makes me trust that statement less because I’m one of those who actually criticizes Biden without trolling.

        This is why those trolls are so effective, cause their goal is not to troll us, is to get us to troll and argue with each other over miscommunications they started.

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          Then I don’t think you understand the difference between trolling and criticism. There is absolutely plenty to criticize about Biden, and criticism should be done, however making up “genocide Joe” comments, trashing on voting for him, and implying potential supporters are complicit in the actions of the administration is not criticism.

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      Like, I know Biden is not that great, but at least the slow collapse of the country isn’t being put in your face every day like it was with Trump.

      I can’t think of a single other president in my 32 years on this planet that I can say that the end of their time in office acutely improved my mental health.

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        Like, I know Biden is not that great, but at least the slow collapse of the country isn’t being put in your face every day like it was with Trump.

        Noted, but if you work for a wage, you’re living the collapse of the country every day. You’re likely paying 2.5x more for groceries now than you did in 2020. Permanent $3 gas is here. You’re also likely paying for those things with 2-3 jobs.

        What you guys don’t get is that it doesn’t matter that Trump was a bad president. Too many people are living in a bad presidency, and they’re going to want change.

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          Maybe if he didn’t do horrible things to benefit himself at our expense every day the media wouldn’t have been having a field day. I mean, every word and every action that guy makes is 100% about boosting himself up and knocking everyone else down. Hard not to report on all that when the guy that’s supposed to be leading us and improving things is sabotaging and grifting us in plain sight. Ya know?

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              Can’t say that pretending his narcissistic destructive grifting doesn’t exist sounds like a better option.

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              True. And honestly I wish they would stop. Even now he KEEPS getting tons of media attention he wants.

              Even media adjacent things like all the late shows went from comedy about anything to all Trump all the time and I had to stop watching them. It is exhausting.

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    Careful, you’re going to upset the tankie hive mind. Then they’ll report you until your comments are removed for violating some vague unexplained rule.

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      That’s the thing, Trump did accomplish something - he showed that radicalism in a position like the president is possible. One can act like an autocrat and actually get things done. He showed that being cut throat to accomplish your political ends is possible even when in power.

      Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process… Then came Trump. Trump’s accomplishment was showing the world what radical rightwing politics could do.

      Now we have imitators around the world and new strains of fascism.

      Many on the left feel like similar is in order on the left. So don’t blame the tankies, as they’re as much a product of the times as anything else… And it’s quite easy to want a radical leader when it’s this obvious that the system is no longer efficient at serving the will of the people… Or should I say, the will of the left.

      RIP Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. Hopefully we’ll get someone similar, but we won’t get there without making the demand clear as possible.

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        he showed that radicalism in a position like the president is possible

        Please learn what the word “radical” means.

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        Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process

        Obama didn’t decide anything. The GOP had majority. They stonewalled his nomination.

        Obama’s mistake was to not give a forced ‘thank you for your service, you deserve rest’ to RBG when DNC had majority.

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        Did he really accomplish much, though? The only thing he did with his trifecta was passing Yet Another Tax Cut, with everything else either filibustered or voted down (ty Mr McCain). After 2018, his legislative agenda was DOA. He forced a shutdown over border wall spending, which failed. I can’t think of anything else notable legislatively.

        On the executive side, he managed to unwind some regulations (that were reinstated after Biden came in) and his FCC pick repealed net neutrality, but all of the super radical stuff he tried to do got tied up in the courts for most of his term and either struck down, reduced drastically in scope, or only took effect for a short while before he left office.

        The biggest thing he did was packing the supreme court, but I would argue that’s just as much due to McConnell, and any Republican president would have given us the same extremist court. All the stuff that’s uniquely Trump, like the border wall or the Muslim ban, failed miserably.

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        You are absolutely right.

        It’s laughable that Democrats pretend to be powerless when they held the presidency and Congress for two years.

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      Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.

      Im gonna speedrun a ban rq

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      Except Lemmy seems to have just as many insane extreme “leftists” and tankies that also “both sides” everything.

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      Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.

      So just like the old subreddit then? Weird how that piece of culture sticks with them.

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        The difference is that on Reddit I got suspended from the entire site for “report abuse” because I (correctly) reported misinformation in r/conservative and it hurt the snowflake mods’ fee-fees.

        In other words, Lemmy is structurally superior because there are no fascist admins with the power to ban you from the entire network.

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          Lmao, I reported genocidal comments in r/worldnews and was site banned for the same reason.

          I had 4 reports total, 2 were acted on and the other 2 were pretty blatant calls to violence.

          It’s actually what made me quit Reddit.

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            For my “worldnews” ban, I called someone out for ONLY posting pro-israel content, from biased Israeli media sources, and how every comment under all their posts that disagreed were downvoted into oblivion 😅

            The upvote/downvotes for my comment were shifting by dozens of votes in both directions for DAYS. It was hilarious

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              It’s not much different here. I get comments removed for calling out right wing propaganda trolls pretending to be far left tankies.

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                It’s funny that you call us tankies when it’s Democrats and Republicans who gladly support a trillion and a half dollars a year being shipped off to war.

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                  Look up what “tankie” means. And maybe you’ll understand why people call you that.

                  And for the record, know that you’ve essentially outed yourself for claiming the title. Good job there bud.

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                  Idk if it is just me but lemmy has appeared to have a massive right wing shift, at least a huge influx of liberals unable to have a conversation without blindly slinging accusations. A lot of people on lemmy now unable to comprehend unhappiness with the system, singing praises to the status quo and woefully inadequate reforms at best. Welcome to election season I guess.

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            Site bans don’t carry the same weight here though. You get site banned, you can still be on all the other sites. With Reddit, a site ban means you can’t access the whole network.

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            Meanwhile I got no questions asked appeal denied lifetime banned from Reddit for saying “I should totally be allowed to punch Nazis”.

            I always mentally append “Nazi sympathizers” to reddit now…

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      I can understand conservatism at a base level. While it’s not something I agree with, I can see why people would lean towards it, and respect that people have different political beliefs.

      However, as someone in Europe…what most Americans believe is conservatism would be very right-wing anywhere else in the developed world. If anything, many conservatives in Europe are at odds with the rise of the right, as populism has pushed traditional conservatism out of the conservative parties. In the UK, Boris Johnson literally kicked many conservatives out of the conservatives for not backing him on a Brexit vote, leaving the current PM Rishi Sunak looking at an election wipeout AND basically no MP’s remaining that believe in what the party was originally about.

      I feel for those that have lost their party, because it basically means that the likes of Trump (win or lose) will likely mean few people that can continue their beliefs in their primary party.

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        The people who lost the Republican party were already far right by european standards. The average Democrat is closer to your moderate Euro conservative, sans immigration and maybe LGBT rights

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        I don’t feel sorry for the people who “lost” their party. To start, it was never a good party to begin with and for the final nail in the coffin, they didn’t fucking fight very hard to not lose it, did they?

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      Why even go to any conservative board? Same for the tankie boards. It’s just madness in there

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      It’s full of bad faith arguments, putting rules before humanity, the strictest possible interpretation of those rules, and they LOVE to put words in your mouth or waste your time asking for resources that they won’t read and will just respond “What are you even talking about?” because they’ve already moved the goal posts. Their newest mod spent his first hour as a mod getting in fights about Hunter Biden’s laptop and is so vehemently against tax increases because he’s one of the rich whose taxes would probably go up. He’ll gladly tell you that the rich are already paying TOO MUCH and they wouldn’t benefit from paying more.

      But, hey, at least they ban the R word and homophobia.

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        They should scuttle back to Truth Social or X. It’s pretty obvious their ideas aren’t welcome here. Comments, posts, anything with a lick of conservative coding to it is downvoted heavily. But they tell themselves it’s a few bad actors following them around. Fucking narcissists.

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    Like how do people like that exist with themselves all with coming up with an opinion and just not researching it let alone questioning it for a second just to be debased in a matter of seconds. And that’s giving them the benefit of the doubt. Deep down I think they are trolling.

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      Of course they are. After all the allure of spreading fake news anonymously is strong indeed. In such environment default stance is trolling and conscious effort is required to not to when there are no consequences.

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        they are definitely a troll and I’m with you on that. there is always a slim possibility there is someone who will read this shit and actually swallows it. So it’s exhausting when so many bots and trolls suck up time of others who are trying to run triage.

        And yeah, I wish there were better and more effective consequences than ‘tell a mod’ cuz that doesn’t do shit on meta or Reddit or x

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          Advanced trolls are almost indistinguishable except that they seemingly drastically change opinions every other comment. Best you can do is just refute the comment as it is and quickly end it.

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              We should train a neural network that will detect this. We have the technology. Create a profile of political views and likes of a user, and if it is too chaotic, eliminate the dissenter with a well-placed Improvised Explosive Device.

              Alternatively, we can carry out a precise air strike on the subversive element. For example with a General Atomics MQ-1 Predator remotely piloted aircraft.

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      I think it’s just because the media reports the negative things that happened under Trump more loudly than they reported the positive things under Biden.

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      Like how do people like that exist with themselves

      In 2016 it was reported by several places that tens of millions of Americans can’t absorb a sudden $400 expense without going further into debt. That number has grown significantly under Biden, which is why people don’t care about articulating their opinion of why he’s a bad president. (For instance, in 2023, homelessness jumped 12%)

      Their lives just got harder, and that experience is all they need.

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    I’m pretty old. Biden has been the best president of my lifetime.

    He should be viewed as a national hero for beating Donnie in 2020 and making it stick, which was probably harder than it looked. The US President starting a coup has lots of strings to pull.

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      I think Obama was better in charisma and speeches. Which is motivating. But Biden is damn good.

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      I genuinely think that the only reason so many people aren’t able to admit that is because of Gaza.

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        I deduct credit from a President if they are primarily fixing problems that they themselves caused or greatly assisted in creating throughout their previous political career. In Biden’s case, that means that he is unlikely to get better than absolute neutral due to his incredibly long history of selling out the American people.

        I will not give Biden an 11th hour passing grade just because he is up against Trump, he doesn’t deserve to be graded on a curve.

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          Eh, this is a bit too “moving the finish line” for me. In a super long political career, attitudes shift. I don’t think you can judge someone for, say, cheering about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (a win for it’s time, but now seen as a crappy half measure) as long as their attitudes shifted. That’s kind of how politics works. 100 years from now current liberal attitudes will be looked down on because they aren’t progressive enough. That’s sort of the definition of progress.

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            So if I spend my life being a right bastard, like 50 straight years of kicking dogs, stealing from old ladies, being a slum lord and extorting people, breaking people’s legs in mafia style protection rackets, dumping toxic industrial byproducts into rivers, and using my wealth and power to keep and enforce “sundown laws”, but then in my 60s open an animal shelter, fund bingo nights and retirement centers, set up community reinvestment grants, sponsor efforts to get the wetlands to get cleaned up as a Superfund site, and get diversity and equality training implemented for the police department, would I then be considered to be a good person because my attitude shifted? The thousands of people I hurt and potentially indirectly killed over those 50 years don’t count against the good I am now doing?

            Even simpler, if I steal and destroy your car, causing you to lose your job because you don’t have transportation which then causes you to lose your home, should I then be praised for giving you a nicer brand new car a year later?

            Sticking to politics in case that’s the only place this kind of behavior gets a pass, what if someone didn’t cheer for Don’t Ask Don’t Tell but instead had sponsored bills undoing limitations or bans on gay conversion therapy. Does later supporting a bill making conversion therapy illegal undo the suicides and trauma they inflicted because their apparent attitude has changed? Are they now equal to the person who spent their entire career pushing for gay rights, because this person supported strengthening of domestic partnership laws instead of marriage equality 20-30 years ago? They both support gay rights now, so is saying that the first person is doing the bare minimum and shouldn’t really be called an ally “moving the finish line”?

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                Biden was Senator from Delaware for nearly 25 years, during which time his state discarded usury laws and became a haven for the Credit Card companies and predatory Banks. He was one of the sponsors removing the ability to discharge student loan debt in bankruptcy. He had a rather staunch record of supporting financial lobby interests throughout his career. He supported drone strikes, including on American citizens, while Vice President. He was openly against desegregation actions in the 70’s, but let’s give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has grown on that front.

                I am saying that the harm he was part of due to the selling out of protections for the American people at the beheadst of the financial services lobby over multiple decades means that his current actions to cap fees and provide some student loan relief are little and late. It’s better than nothing, but he is not a paragon of supporting the little guy

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          You think Biden becoming President and trying to fix the mistakes he made previously in his political career is a bad thing?

          How many politicians do you know of that will admit they made a bad call or their previous track record was shitty for the people, let alone become president in an effort to “right those wrongs?”

          Politicians make bad decisions all the time, and we suffer because of it, so I applaud anyone who can realize it and do what they can to fix it… a lot of the politicians today will stand by every decision they make, most of which will just double-down on it.

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            No, I don’t think it’s a bad thing. In fact I think that fixing his mistakes is a good thing. I also don’t think that it more than balances out the years of damage that be did before having a change of heart when he is running for President and needs votes. He started in a hole, and the good things he does start in that hole, not at ground level.

            I don’t think that Biden is now as ethical as Bernie Sanders just because he is trying to reduce some of the harm he was responsible for. Let’s also not attribute to genuine generosity and compassion that which can also be explained by pragmatism and calculus. If he was not running for President and was instead still a 30+ year incumbent Senator of Delaware, would he be sponsoring student loan relief bills and credit card/banking fee limitation bills? I don’t think so, but maybe you do.

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              If he was not running for President and was instead still a 30+ year incumbent Senator of Delaware, would he be sponsoring student loan relief bills and credit card/banking fee limitation bills? I don’t think so, but maybe you do.

              I honestly think he would. Not out of compassion or anything, but if you follow Biden’s career, there are three constants:

              1. Man loves his choo-choos.

              2. He’s a strong Union supporter by the standards of US politicians (ie by the lowest imaginable bar).

              3. He otherwise shifts with the party.

              When the party’s opinions change, so does he. Not necessary the opinions of the entire American electorate - not necessarily the opinions of just the top brass - the party as a whole. In some ways, you could say, in that sense, he’s a reed in the wind or an opportunist - but he is pretty consistently responsive to firm shifts in the outlook of Democratic voters, before most other moderates do.

              Student loan relief and banking fee limitations would have be anathema (yes, even amongst most of the voters) for Dems even just 20 years ago. Dem opinions have changed, and Biden sways with them.

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      I totally agree, but I also think that every president for the last 50+ years would have walked out of office and into a prison cell in a just world. Judged in that context, Biden looks pretty good.

      Also, a ham sandwich would have beaten Trump in 2020. I know this because half the Biden supporters on Reddit were constantly paving over Biden’s deep flaws by pointing out that they would pick a ham sandwich over Trump. I have no idea why it was always a ham sandwich. All Biden had to do was hide in his basement and not say anything mind-blisteringly stupid. That and avoid catching COVID from Trump on the debate stage.

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    I fucking abhor the rapist orange turd, but he did sign in the farm act which (unintentionally, especially unpredictably to conservatives) made it pretty much legal to buy weed over the Internet in vape/gummy form. So at least something good came from his term.

    We can all be good and lit for next time when he refuses to leave office and turns the US into Gilead.

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    But Biden ended up building the border wall? Also pushing loan forgiveness is neutralized by the fact that he restarted loan payments.

    I can list dozens of other trump-era bullshit Biden maintained, but it’s tiring.

    I feel like I’ve been having this same conversation for a decade, after watching Obama demotivate the base by maintaining/expanding Bush’s policies, while republicans and democrats insist that he actually implemented socialism.

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          The administration said that it was bound to build this section of new wall because Congress already appropriated the funding to do so in 2019. It had been unsuccessful in convincing Congress to rescind the funding

          so… the wall had already been ordered and paid by congress under the Tramp administration, so the Biden administration followed the law?

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            Look who’s job it is to enforce the law.

            As we learned under trump, the POTUS can just ignore the SCOTUS at no consequences.

            But Biden didn’t even make them go to the SCOTUS. Dude just did what the republicans wanted without even making them fight for it.

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              Yea… the objective isn’t to take everything you don’t like to SCOTUS or to fight it tooth and nail. It’s a waste of time and resources. That was just Trump’s objective because he’s a piece of shit.

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                You got it backwards. It would take republicans time and resources to make Biden do things they want.

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                  Taking the funding of those sections of border wall to SCOTUS would have wasted the Republicans time and resources… How exactly? It would be Biden’s DOJ that would have to prepare some kind of legal rationale to challenge the wall funding. Then even if they came up with a perfect ironclad reasoning SCOTUS isn’t even required to grant it cert to even hear the case.

                  I utterly fail to see any version of this where it wastes more Republican resources than Democrat ones.

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            Basically yes that’s my understanding. When Congress appropriates money for something, the Executive Branch is obligated by law to spend that money on what Congress appropriated it for.

            As much as I hate the whole border wall thing if Biden just said “Fuck Congress, we’re not doing that” it almost certainly would lead to a world where the next Republican president uses that same idea to essentially end things like Medicaid or SNAP.

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              It’d give them a legitimate excuse for an impeachment, as opposed to the trumped up bullshit they kept trying for the last three and a half years.

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          But neglecting why that money went towards a wall is pretty important. He is status quo enough that he didn’t want to hand an impeachment to the republicans.

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      To my knowledge the only sections of wall he’s built were funded by Trump’s Congress before he left office. Meaning he had little choice but to spend the money on what Congress appropriated it for.

      I don’t know about you, but I’d rather not live in a world where someone like Trump can just decide he doesn’t want to spend portions of the money Congress appropriated. He could just suddenly decide that the federal government isn’t going to pay like Medicaid or SNAP.

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        this is basically what he tried to do with money for ukraine. refusing to give it till he got tit for tat. Its funny that alciholicorn is continuing the exact crazy type of arguments that the screenshot highlights.