If genocide is an inevitability, that means that the US is a fascist state which must be overthrown by any means necessary, and any farcical “elections” between two people who support genocide are a joke that should not be legitimized through participation!
The fact that you’re defending genocide as an inevitability is, in fact, a perfect demonstration of the harm caused by this very participation! The reason that you’ve taken such an abhorrent position is because you’ve centered the US political system as an immovable object. But the real immovable object should be… STOPPING GENOCIDE!
If your political project cannot draw a hard line against endorsing genocide, then it is worthless!
Ok that’s cool and all, so if voting doesn’t matter can you please vote for the option that results in fewer dead children? It’s like 1 day, and then you can go back to working on your glorious revolution the rest of the time.
The explanation for why I won’t has already been presented! Let’s think back to something that was said earlier…
If genocide is an inevitability, that means that the US is a fascist state which must be overthrown by any means necessary, and any farcical “elections” between two people who support genocide are a joke that should not be legitimized through participation!
The fact that you’re defending genocide as an inevitability is, in fact, a perfect demonstration of the harm caused by this very participation! The reason that you’ve taken such an abhorrent position is because you’ve centered the US political system as an immovable object. But the real immovable object should be… STOPPING GENOCIDE!
If your political project cannot draw a hard line against endorsing genocide, then it is worthless!
Cool cool cool so do you mind doing me a solid and - just humoring me here - casting a ballot for “fewer dead innocents and continuation of Democracy” in this farcical system? I mean sure it’s all a joke and pointless, and yeah let’s get on with the business of destroying the system and whatnot. But like for just a few hours, since it doesn’t matter anyway, can’t hurt to throw a ballot in, right?
Surely the other 365 days and 20 hours of breaking down the system more than offsets this tiny, minor, performative participation in it?
(What can I do? No matter what I try, they’re just ignoring and refusing to engage with anything I say! It’s like I’m not even in this conversation!)
Uhh, let’s try this again. Centering the US political system as an immovable object that you must participate in means defending morally abhorrent positions, while also legitimizing it. So no, I will not be voting for anyone who supports genocide, because it’s wrong to do so.
Then it’s complacency. Your protest is not saying you don’t want genocide. Your protest is saying you’re fine with whatever level of genocide we get. Driving transgender Americans to suicide, if not outright hunting them for sport, would just be an added bonus.
As a trans person, don’t hide behind me to defend your support of genocide!
Under no conceivable circumstance does anyone have a moral responsibility to support genocide. Even if a killer had me at gunpoint, I would sooner die than become an accomplice to mass murder!
I reject your framing of the issue! There comes a point where “lesser evilism” no longer applies. If the election were between Mussolini and Hitler, would you tell me that I have a moral responsibility to vote Mussolini? Would you tell me that refusing to legitimize such an election is “complacency?” This is the logical conclusion of your reasoning!
One of two people are going to win. You can have Joe Biden, or you can gamble that Donald “Israel should finish the job” Trump, who kicked off 2017 with an unconstitutional “Muslim ban,” will do a complete 180 this time.
Protip: it seems to be the lefties who dislike genocide and Trumpanzees have oppositional defiant disorder, so it certainly will not be getting better under Donald.
It’s fucking weird to pretend you dislike genocide while agitating for an openly racist authoritarian insurrectionist to take office. Like were you asleep for the 20th Century portion of history class or have the middle schools not gotten to that part yet?
If you need anything more than “the other candidate is a fascist running openly on a platform of doing fascism” to do everything you can to vote and get others out to the polls too, you may turn your ally badge in and sit at the table with all the other fascists.
Formal proposal that all the grammable marches and rallies post security that check for proof of having voted to get let in, sounds like a club bouncer, but these people are coming hard with “bachelorette party at a gay club” energy anyways.
Maybe be mad at the dems for doing literally nothing to get votes rather than people that don’t want to vote for genocide?
You don’t get the choice of no genocide. You get the choice between some genocide far away, or lots of genocide far away and some more at home.
I suppose that not voting is a choice, but that choice isn’t “I don’t want genocide”, that choice is “I don’t care how much genocide we have”.
If genocide is an inevitability, that means that the US is a fascist state which must be overthrown by any means necessary, and any farcical “elections” between two people who support genocide are a joke that should not be legitimized through participation!
If your political project cannot draw a hard line against endorsing genocide, then it is worthless!
Ok that’s cool and all, so if voting doesn’t matter can you please vote for the option that results in fewer dead children? It’s like 1 day, and then you can go back to working on your glorious revolution the rest of the time.
The explanation for why I won’t has already been presented! Let’s think back to something that was said earlier…
Cool cool cool so do you mind doing me a solid and - just humoring me here - casting a ballot for “fewer dead innocents and continuation of Democracy” in this farcical system? I mean sure it’s all a joke and pointless, and yeah let’s get on with the business of destroying the system and whatnot. But like for just a few hours, since it doesn’t matter anyway, can’t hurt to throw a ballot in, right?
Surely the other 365 days and 20 hours of breaking down the system more than offsets this tiny, minor, performative participation in it?
(What can I do? No matter what I try, they’re just ignoring and refusing to engage with anything I say! It’s like I’m not even in this conversation!)
Uhh, let’s try this again. Centering the US political system as an immovable object that you must participate in means defending morally abhorrent positions, while also legitimizing it. So no, I will not be voting for anyone who supports genocide, because it’s wrong to do so.
I think this is my favorite thread on Lemmy so far lmao.
Then it’s complacency. Your protest is not saying you don’t want genocide. Your protest is saying you’re fine with whatever level of genocide we get. Driving transgender Americans to suicide, if not outright hunting them for sport, would just be an added bonus.
As a trans person, don’t hide behind me to defend your support of genocide!
Under no conceivable circumstance does anyone have a moral responsibility to support genocide. Even if a killer had me at gunpoint, I would sooner die than become an accomplice to mass murder!
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One of two people are going to win. You can have Joe Biden, or you can gamble that Donald “Israel should finish the job” Trump, who kicked off 2017 with an unconstitutional “Muslim ban,” will do a complete 180 this time.
Protip: it seems to be the lefties who dislike genocide and Trumpanzees have oppositional defiant disorder, so it certainly will not be getting better under Donald.
It’s fucking weird to pretend you dislike genocide while agitating for an openly racist authoritarian insurrectionist to take office. Like were you asleep for the 20th Century portion of history class or have the middle schools not gotten to that part yet?
If you need anything more than “the other candidate is a fascist running openly on a platform of doing fascism” to do everything you can to vote and get others out to the polls too, you may turn your ally badge in and sit at the table with all the other fascists.
Formal proposal that all the grammable marches and rallies post security that check for proof of having voted to get let in, sounds like a club bouncer, but these people are coming hard with “bachelorette party at a gay club” energy anyways.
If you think supporting genocide is not a fascist position, then I don’t know what to tell you.