Apparently guns don’t fix the fact that you’re basically a fucking coward.
I prefer LARPers with guns, myself. Coward is too good for these roleplayers who couldn’t be bothered to use their 6-weeks of training in how to beat black citizens and plant evidence, to take out an active shooter in an elementary school.
We are a people with sociopaths in positions of power, with a license to kill, who feel no empathy toward others enough to ask why they weren’t acting to save these kids and teachers. Then to hear that parents were threatened with arrest (maybe actually arrested the mother who jumped a fence and managed to save her son when the cops would do nothing) if they tried to enter and do anything to help those inside.
As a new parent to a kid that will be 5 this year, this shit is my nightmare. When the footage came out showing those scummy wannabes standing around hearing round after round of shots, knowing they were coming from classrooms of children and teachers, who likely were dying with every pop, made me so angry I was practically shaking and weeping. I’ve never felt that much utter contempt for police in my life. They’d have had to shoot me to keep me out of that school. I can’t imagine a more dystopian world than one where the parents were threatened while a gunman mowed down their children for over an hour.
I’m so sorry for the families. They had to bury their children or loved one and live with the image of indifferent cops standing around in the school doing nothing. I would be left wondering which order my kid was shot and could they have been saved with the initial responding officers, or any other fucking one of the 300 and something on scene, doing their job, regardless of who the fuck was in charge. I guess at training these cops all skipped the class about active shooters are bad and can be legally shot.
Not to pick any side in a world conflict, or make anything about this post anymore political, but this is why I have a hard time knowing about the civilian and children lost in Gaza. How the losses make up a disproportionally high number of women and children. I don’t give a flying fuck the color of a child’s skin or what religion their parents practice, THEY ARE FUCKING CHILDREN, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!
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I recall a conservative news segment where the “jounalist” and “expert” had discussed that the kids should have rushed the shooter and overwhelmed him. Doesn’t matter they were 6-7 they should have stepped up and stopped it all.
Meanwhile, the actual people gained to do that wouldn’t, despite overwhelming numbers
“Hey kid, it’s up to you to stop another acute manifestation of the US’ problem with guns”
So grow up and make harsher gun laws?
I think that’s actually one of the few ways that could work out well.
More like it’s yet more proof that you cannot rely on the police to protect you.
That should be obvious based on the fact that they only respond to crimes that have already occurred. By their own nature, they’re completely reactionary.
Yeah none of those guns were actually “in the school” because thin blue line means
copscowards above anyone else. They won’t risk their lives for you.The Supreme Court ruled like a decade ago that cops DO NOT have a constitutional right to protect you. A cop can literally watch you get stabbed to death in the streets, and they are not obligated to help or stop it. Let that sink in.
NOT have a constitutional
rightto protect you.Duty* actually. They can if they want but they don’t have to.
Small, yet big, difference.
Name those officers.
Maybe by more guns in school, they meant the kids should carry the guns.
- Kids buy gun
- Take guns to class with them
- Gun industry profits
- ??? 🤷♀️
- World peace
More like making school shooting more accessible to every kid lol
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Guns as a subscription model is one of the most American things I’ve heard lately.
Cops refuse to show up on my methhead neighbors - they have weapons. But when my (then) husband wanted to evict my little unarmed 5’3” butt from the house I’d lived in for the past seven years, after physically beating me to the point I wasn’t really cogent, they sent a whole riot squad to pick me up.
Right now if the police force didn’t get their badges from a cracker jack box the procedure is pretty simple. You go in and shoot any one with a gun that’s not an officer. You start arming citizens in the school and it is more difficult. These guys can’t handle more difficult they are still trying to figure out what end of the paper bag let’s them out.
376 armed cowards keeping a bunch of parents from rescuing their kids… and what changed? nuthin.
so gross
Nothing changed because Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there. After that tragedy. There’s should be no more question that it’s a cult.
Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there
Sadly, the kids weren’t allowed to vote. Mature enough to get shot at. Not mature enough to select the police who stand idle while it happens.
Not yet, so the clock is ticking for Republicans to make government of the people, for the people, by the people perish from the earth.
If it helped, they then tried to sue/harass the families after being called out.
Wait that didn’t actually help at all
I’m not a native English speaker, but should it be called “anniversary”? I thought it’s only for something to be celebrate?
Final proof that more guns in our schools will not keep our kids safe.
What does the issue of the inaction of law enforcement have to do with the idea of “guns in our schools” (presumably this is inferring armed security or arming other school staff)? I am of the opinion that a lot of these issues could be solved adding armed security to schools. There are quite a number of sensitive locations like that which would benefit from that sort of security, imo.
Tbf if they were outside the classroom, then we lack the data to say “it’s proof more guns inside don’t help.”
I know it’s nitpicking, but also had they done their actual jobs they’re fucking paid to do, but not required to do thanks to Castle Rock V Gonzales and Warren V DC, then the “more guns” would likely have been what killed him instead of “his own gun.”
I understand why the anti self defense crowd wants to use this as fodder for their agenda, but personally this speaks more of the failures of our entire policing system to me. Frankly to me it’s a glaring example of why we need to be able to defend ourselves, the cheesedicks we pay to come help us won’t.
Yeah lets arm the children! And school teachers!
🤡
BTW you can understand that “outside the classroom” with just minimal intelligence IMO.
Hell yeah that’s what I said! Definitely didn’t say “the cops should have used their guns inside the school to do their fucking job” or anything.
Can I help you learn to read or something? I’ll help sponsor whatever today’s equivalent to Hooked On Phonics is for you if you promise you’ll study this time.
Then who are you expecting to arm with more guns inside the school if not teachers and children?
Then who are you expecting to arm with more guns inside the school if not teachers and children? You end your point with being able to defend yourselves because the police won’t, so the commenter replies as such - then you switch your main point to the police should have been trained to be inside to defend people - making your first point moot?
THE COPS SHOULD HAVE GONE IN AND DONE THEIR JOBS
Can ya read it now?
Alternatively, hire security, I guess. Because yes, clearly the cops aren’t doing their jobs in cases like this.
Also MAY-FUCKIN’-BE that I’m suggesting we fix the systemic issues, namely that cops don’t have to protect us. Seems that’s controversial enough that you have to attack me with mischaracterizations of my argument, surprising to me.
I’m guessing you find these cop’s actions entirely reasonable and justified, since you’re defending them so hard, right? Or is that a mischaracterization of your argument?
Yeah? Where did you get the idea that I’m defending cops or that they are trained well? I’m trying to get you to clarify how a more gun stance or status quo stance helps in this situation. How’d you get from that to COPS GOOD? Also calm the hell down, nobody is attacking anyone. I don’t care about the pro or anti gun movement and I’m only interested if there are even pros for gun use to be had here.
The main useful point you’ve mentioned there is hiring security… You mean like school police, that didn’t help in Uvalde? If you don’t want people to mischaracterize your points, could you be more specific?
If you need me to spell my stance out, obviously the cops are terribly trained and useless here. Also whoops I posted twice by accident, deleting the first one as it is a dupe.
Your framing of people who are concerned about gun violence as “the anti-self defense crowd” is very disingenuous. No one is anti-self defense.
It would seem that many of them are under the impression we can regulate away “most of” the crime and therefore we won’t need to defend ourselves, and we can do this by passing laws like feature bans which only affect people who are afraid of going to prison (which is to say, not mass shooters.) They’d probably tell you they don’t mind self defense, but their actions betray their words.
I’m sure there are some extremes where people are anti self-defense, lol.
But I absolutely 100% agree. As someone who does support the 2nd amendment AND reasonable gun control, people who are concerned shouldn’t be called “the anti-self defense crowd”, because it’s a legitimately valid concern, just as much as defending yourself and others.
Yeah exactly! I’ve been around a lot of guns in my life, have shot several different types, come from a hunting family, yadda yadda. Honestly people in general shouldn’t be blanket trusted to be safe with weapons, because in my experience many of them just are not. I don’t think having guns is a problem in itself, we just need to make sure people are safe. Many serious self-defense experts advocate for running or removing yourself from potentially dangerous situations before exercising violence, and I think we can carry that philosophy forward into our lawmaking.
Something I haven’t seen before that I’d like to see tried out would be some sort of required firearms training, but make it mandatory that a local certifier, a police or sheriff’s liaison or something, perform the training for free to citizens. I think if we had police doing it that might be a chance to foster some good will with the community, do some regular humanizing type stuff. No infringement of anyone’s rights, and I also get what I want in more safe gun owners.
How are you liking Reddit so far?
I left before you did my dude. I’ve been here since before the exodus, what’s my .ml acct in my bio at by now, 2yr? Get good.
Weird flex. Also, I was implying that the same people that would miss your point on Reddit and start banging on the gun issue are the same people doing it here. Once you starting waving your imaginary membership join date to a website in my face like a dick measuring contest I realized you are just another Redditor too.
Lol you imply I’m “a redditor,” then when I say “I’ve been here and off reddit longer than you,” which you made applicable by starting said dick measuring contest, you come up with this shit? Try harder I guess, lol.
Brother, are you fucking dense? Im in total agreement with your original sentiment and comment. I saw you were getting harped on for not having an absolute anti gun stance and jokingly implied that this place is just like Reddit by asking and asked how you were liking this new fresh take here on totally not Reddit and you started in on me about your join date. I couldn’t give two fucks about your Reddit or lemmy join date. You may have convinced me that some people are in fact too stupid to own a firearm.
Didn’t read that way, and the whole “being a fucking asshole” shtick hasn’t been helping your case. If it was truly a misunderstanding it’s one you could have avoided by being more clear then “how are you liking reddit” or whatever useless question you asked me to “show support” or some such nonsense, and secondly when you identified a possible misunderstanding you could have avoided further conflict by not doubling down and being an asshole again but “for real” this time, simply because I replied in kind to what I clearly thought was you being an asshole in the first place.
You’re not the mega genius you think you are, you caused this issue with your inarticulacy at best. There’s frankly no need for us to speak further, and I will decline to do so after this last comment. Good day.
It says 3 years on Jerboa.
Ayy, thanks lol.
“police officers are cowards”
POAC
Shorten it to POC to really piss them off.
Sorry that acronym is already in use.
Pig Officers Are Corrupt
ACAC?
To protect and serve. *
*terms and conditions apply
- capital
For what does the yellow square stand?
I don’t understand this reference. Would you mind explaining?
They’re talking about the yellow square next to Chris Murphy’s username on X in the picture. I have no clue what it stands for either.
No, it doesn’t prove that guns in school won’t solve the problem.
It proves you can’t trust cops to do the bare fucking minimum.
If teachers had been armed? It might–might–have ended sooner with fewer innocent victims. At least the teachers had some skin in the game, and teachers usually care about the kids in schools.
Giving guns to teachers to fight school shooters is exactly the excalating move that I would expect from the US.
What’s your solution?
How about “Less guns in the hands of those who should not have them in the first place”, like every other civilized country does? And guess what, those countries know “school shootings” only as something America does.
We don’t need metal detectors outside of school either
I’m with you there in general.
My solution is making gun ownership less indiscriminate. In my country, I’d have to prove that I need a gun for self-defense and pass a psychological and physical check. Moreover, the license would have to be renewed after 5 years.
You can’t “prove you need a gun for self defense” until it’s too late. Unless you mean “only of you’re rich, important, and white (this is America mind you) enough that we think there’s a chance those dirty not-white races may attack you.”
Personally I don’t think we should limit guns to the wealthy elite, I think that even us lowly poors deserve the right to protect our lives.
I’ve never even thought, “I need a gun” and I’m not rich or wealthy or affluent. The only reason I’ll ever learn to handle firearms is to shoot fascists if the need arises.
Damn fine reason. Unfortunately not everyone is as lucky as you in not needing one before then, too. I wish they were, but unfirtunately there are still people who want to victimize others. Less than there used to be though, crime has gone down since '93, so that’s a positive!
The problem is that in the US, the guns are already in the hands of everyone. There are more guns than people. The cat’s out of the box.
Buyback programs. Ammo purchasing restrictions. Laws requiring documentation of all firearms with strict penalties for undocumented weapons. There are proven menthods of de-escalating and de-weaponizing populations when they are provided with the means, motive and opportunity.
Get out of here with this defeatist attitude. You’d never make this argument for driving a vehicle without a license because “tHeRe ArE tOo MaNy CaRs”
Buyback programs in the US are good for PR but do little to remove guns that would be used in a crime. Mostly people sell their junk and old rifles at these things. Many times, while they’re waiting in line they’ll get a better offer by the mob of people on the sidewalks looking to buy.
Ammo restrictions, I agree would be effective. But the 2nd Amendment would shut that down.
Documented firearms, again the cat is out of the bag. There are millions of undocumented firearms in the US. And no criminal would use one with a paper trail anyway. This just makes things harder for honest people.
Those “proven” methods haven’t worked in the US. The 2nd Amendment and a very armed population will see to it that the guns are here to stay, by force if necessary.
I’m not a defeatist, I’m a realist.
Each of these ideas solves a different aspect of the bigger problem, but none of them will solve the entire issue.
The problem is that with these ‘realistic’ views, we never make ANY progress by just throwing our hands up, saying ‘Well there are just too many guns to solve the problem with a single solution.’
I have a friend that used to be a stripper (“exotic dancer”, if you prefer). She tried to get a concealed carry permit–in Detroit–long before Heller v. D.C. and McDonald v. Chicago because she had a stalker. She was denied, because she didn’t have any greater need for self-defense than any other person.
Who defines psychological wellness? For reference, I’m a gun owner, and I compete in shooting matches on a regular basis. About a decade ago, I failed to complete suicide; I attempted suicide because I was being seriously abused (verbally, mentally, emotionally, financially, and sometimes physically) by my ex-spouse, which had lead to serious isolation and depression. I believe that I am mentally healthy now–as did my last psychiatrist–but I am forever barred from owning a firearm in Illinois because I was held for observation at a hospital in the state. Moreover, people with serious mental illnesses are more likely to be victims orf violence rather then perpetrators.
Why should people that are less physically capable be less able to defend themselves?
Grow up and stop thinking guns make you look badass, for one.
