More like it’s yet more proof that you cannot rely on the police to protect you.
That should be obvious based on the fact that they only respond to crimes that have already occurred. By their own nature, they’re completely reactionary.
Yeah none of those guns were actually “in the school” because thin blue line means
copscowards above anyone else. They won’t risk their lives for you.The Supreme Court ruled like a decade ago that cops DO NOT have a constitutional right to protect you. A cop can literally watch you get stabbed to death in the streets, and they are not obligated to help or stop it. Let that sink in.
NOT have a constitutional
rightto protect you.Duty* actually. They can if they want but they don’t have to.
Small, yet big, difference.
No, it doesn’t prove that guns in school won’t solve the problem.
It proves you can’t trust cops to do the bare fucking minimum.
If teachers had been armed? It might–might–have ended sooner with fewer innocent victims. At least the teachers had some skin in the game, and teachers usually care about the kids in schools.
Giving guns to teachers to fight school shooters is exactly the excalating move that I would expect from the US.
What’s your solution?
How about “Less guns in the hands of those who should not have them in the first place”, like every other civilized country does? And guess what, those countries know “school shootings” only as something America does.
I’m with you there in general.
We don’t need metal detectors outside of school either
Grow up and stop thinking guns make you look badass, for one.
My solution is making gun ownership less indiscriminate. In my country, I’d have to prove that I need a gun for self-defense and pass a psychological and physical check. Moreover, the license would have to be renewed after 5 years.
The problem is that in the US, the guns are already in the hands of everyone. There are more guns than people. The cat’s out of the box.
Buyback programs. Ammo purchasing restrictions. Laws requiring documentation of all firearms with strict penalties for undocumented weapons. There are proven menthods of de-escalating and de-weaponizing populations when they are provided with the means, motive and opportunity.
Get out of here with this defeatist attitude. You’d never make this argument for driving a vehicle without a license because “tHeRe ArE tOo MaNy CaRs”
Buyback programs in the US are good for PR but do little to remove guns that would be used in a crime. Mostly people sell their junk and old rifles at these things. Many times, while they’re waiting in line they’ll get a better offer by the mob of people on the sidewalks looking to buy.
Ammo restrictions, I agree would be effective. But the 2nd Amendment would shut that down.
Documented firearms, again the cat is out of the bag. There are millions of undocumented firearms in the US. And no criminal would use one with a paper trail anyway. This just makes things harder for honest people.
Those “proven” methods haven’t worked in the US. The 2nd Amendment and a very armed population will see to it that the guns are here to stay, by force if necessary.
I’m not a defeatist, I’m a realist.
Each of these ideas solves a different aspect of the bigger problem, but none of them will solve the entire issue.
The problem is that with these ‘realistic’ views, we never make ANY progress by just throwing our hands up, saying ‘Well there are just too many guns to solve the problem with a single solution.’
I have a friend that used to be a stripper (“exotic dancer”, if you prefer). She tried to get a concealed carry permit–in Detroit–long before Heller v. D.C. and McDonald v. Chicago because she had a stalker. She was denied, because she didn’t have any greater need for self-defense than any other person.
Who defines psychological wellness? For reference, I’m a gun owner, and I compete in shooting matches on a regular basis. About a decade ago, I failed to complete suicide; I attempted suicide because I was being seriously abused (verbally, mentally, emotionally, financially, and sometimes physically) by my ex-spouse, which had lead to serious isolation and depression. I believe that I am mentally healthy now–as did my last psychiatrist–but I am forever barred from owning a firearm in Illinois because I was held for observation at a hospital in the state. Moreover, people with serious mental illnesses are more likely to be victims orf violence rather then perpetrators.
Why should people that are less physically capable be less able to defend themselves?
You can’t “prove you need a gun for self defense” until it’s too late. Unless you mean “only of you’re rich, important, and white (this is America mind you) enough that we think there’s a chance those dirty not-white races may attack you.”
Personally I don’t think we should limit guns to the wealthy elite, I think that even us lowly poors deserve the right to protect our lives.
I’ve never even thought, “I need a gun” and I’m not rich or wealthy or affluent. The only reason I’ll ever learn to handle firearms is to shoot fascists if the need arises.
Damn fine reason. Unfortunately not everyone is as lucky as you in not needing one before then, too. I wish they were, but unfirtunately there are still people who want to victimize others. Less than there used to be though, crime has gone down since '93, so that’s a positive!
“police officers are cowards”
ACAC?
POAC
Shorten it to POC to really piss them off.
Sorry that acronym is already in use.
Pig Officers Are Corrupt
I’m not a native English speaker, but should it be called “anniversary”? I thought it’s only for something to be celebrate?
Probably “memorial”
This tradegy and the handling of it makes me so fucking mad. I feel so unreasonably pissed this is part of the world we created.
I wish I had an outlet.
Name those officers.
Sounds like the guns weren’t in the schools. They were out. Your implying that had they been in the school, we wouldn’t have had the same level of tragedy.
Final proof that more guns in our schools will not keep our kids safe.
What does the issue of the inaction of law enforcement have to do with the idea of “guns in our schools” (presumably this is inferring armed security or arming other school staff)? I am of the opinion that a lot of these issues could be solved adding armed security to schools. There are quite a number of sensitive locations like that which would benefit from that sort of security, imo.
To protect and serve. *
*terms and conditions apply
- capital
What’s the point of all that military gear they’re wasting tax payer money on then? Fascist cosplay?
They will be using all that firepower to keep “certain people” from getting to vote.
That’s for unarmed minorities that get out of line.
If they are actually fascists then it isn’t cosplay though.
It’s to use on protesters, not on actual crime.
Yeah. Shooter was not pregnant enough.
Arm ALL THE PREGNANT MOTHERS! If you Preggnant You Get a FREE FIREARM WITH UNLIMITED BULLETS !
:-D
That makes sense. Those protesters are scary and can hurt a police officer’s feelings. Its protester <-> police.
Where a school, there’s so many little kid bodies that can take bullets to protect our blue heroes.
It makes their pussies wet.
Why does female anatomy always get used as an insult? It’s a prime example of toxic masculinity and patriarchy that non-male genitalia are so reviled as to be an insult against others.
it’s only an insult to people who think dick size = status. try telling someone who’s butthurt about being called a pussy that it’s not an insult lol
You use whatever is gonna make the target mad as an insult. It’s why bad mouth little kids will go after your mom or say removed in comms. It’s the low hanging fruit. They don’t care about your mom and they’re not likely to be racist either. It’s about attention.
Because they’re the type who think they’re alpha males, and that particular insult is incredibly insulting to them.
Nobody ever uses “dick” as an insult.
For what does the yellow square stand?
I don’t understand this reference. Would you mind explaining?
They’re talking about the yellow square next to Chris Murphy’s username on X in the picture. I have no clue what it stands for either.
Cops not being willing to defend you or your kids is another great reason to arm yourself.
Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
Non-peaceful demonstrators
How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.
There’s no way that’d ever be justifiable, but what’s their excuse?
They knew exactly what a .223 round does to the human body.
From one report, they didn’t know who was in charge because there were State and local units. So they did nothing while some in charge waited to hear who should be giving the orders. At least that’s how I remember it.
Right because that can all be excused away with “policy issues” that leave nobody actually accountable and spits in the face of common sense. “I didn’t try to take down the shooter because I didn’t have anyone to tell me that’s why we were there in the first place”
You’re talking about people who worship authority. Critical thinkers and independent personalities are not welcomed or tolerated in law enforcement or the military. These people literally need to be told what to think, and what to do.
I’m not saying that it was a good excuse, just that it was used.
IIRC, they even had a shooter drill prior to the massacre, but that obviously didn’t help.
Sounds to me like the shooter was in charge.
100%, all the cops did was prevent parents from rescuing their children and give the shooter time to kill
It would have made the coward cops look bad
Probably something about free school lunches or litter boxes.
The fucking litter boxes. Was that meme planted so we could identify which of our friends and neighbors went off the deep end?
I’m no conspiracist, but… If I were a malicious—perhaps foreign—power and I saw how well that kind of fake news spread and how much staying power it had, despite it being totally far-fetched, and yet easily-verifiable, I’d be absolutely fucking giddy.
It would be the surest sign that I could now spread any bit of disinformation, particularly anything not easily-verifiable, and absolutely tear the country apart.
They are, and have been doing that leading up to, and during Trump’s presidency.
Nooooo my cousin’s friend in Memphis told her it was true!
It seriously stresses me out how many people in my community have taken that seriously. In my own family, even. It is indeed one of the many possible indications of someone to whom I don’t want to give my time.
It really speaks to the issue of how many people get their news: secondhand from their family members who read a story (or listened to fox “news”), misunderstood some of it, then injected further biases while getting some of the facts wrong (purposefully or accidentally).
Because it’s a group of narcissists. They were too worried about themselves. None of them had the courage to say “I’m willing to not go home tonight so these kids can.”
Actually I’d bet that a bunch said that, but didn’t actually do anything about it.
A coward is not the same thing as a narcissist.
One can be both, however.
This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can’t storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren’t actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn’t have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these “hard asses” to make.
I can’t remember the study but basically the bystander effect is a thing. The more people there are in a group, the more likely it is that no one will do anything because everyone will assume that someone else will do something.
This isn’t to excuse officers because they are specifically trained that they are that someone. The fact that they were held back from entering is willful, malicious, and negligent.
The fact that the officers actually complied instead of disobeying orders especially when seconds turned to minutes, is cowardice.
And a reminder that I believe the police chief and mayor of the town was reelected by the town.
They analyzed the trolley problem, they chose to sacrifice the few for the many.
I scoff every time a cop on a TV show is like “I joined the force to save lives and make a difference” because it’s painfully obvious that this is pretty much never the case in reality.
Yeah but it doesn’t sound as good like, “I joined the force to get away with beating my wife after pissing my Punisher logo boxers at work.”
They joined the force because it has the best job security next to CEOs in the US.
And because they weren’t too smart, as per the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
I feel like CEOs are more like football coaches in terms of job security. As long as they keep winning, just about no form of misconduct can dislodge them. Stop winning though, and the hot seat can become very uncomfortable.
But they make so much money and get huge golden parachutes so they have more money than they would need for the rest of their lives, and yet they still are able to get other CEO jobs. It’s a little club and once you’re in, you’re in.
They didn’t specify “which lives” or “what differences”. We can make some guesses, but I don’t think we’d like their answers.
376 armed cowards keeping a bunch of parents from rescuing their kids… and what changed? nuthin.
so gross
If it helped, they then tried to sue/harass the families after being called out.
Wait that didn’t actually help at all
Nothing changed because Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there. After that tragedy. There’s should be no more question that it’s a cult.
Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there
Sadly, the kids weren’t allowed to vote. Mature enough to get shot at. Not mature enough to select the police who stand idle while it happens.
Not yet, so the clock is ticking for Republicans to make government of the people, for the people, by the people perish from the earth.
