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Much of the attention on Thursday’s presidential debate fell upon President Joe Biden’s faltering performance, which has called into question whether he can even remain the Democratic candidate. In the aftermath, some have focused on former President Donald Trump’s nonstop lies.
Left largely overlooked, however, has been the open xenophobia Trump deployed against Palestinians and immigrants, and the silence with which it was met.
The most striking illustration might be Trump’s response to a prompt from CNN moderator Dana Bash, regarding Israel’s war on Gaza and the “humanitarian crisis” that Israel has created while killing thousands of Palestinians.
As Biden insisted that Hamas was the only entity standing in the way of a ceasefire, Trump actually pushed back on the idea. “You got to ask him,” Trump began, referring to Biden, “as far as Israel and Hamas, Israel is the one that wants to go. He said the only one who wants to keep going is Hamas.” He continued: “Actually, Israel is the one, and you should let them go and let them finish the job. He doesn’t want to do it. He has become like a Palestinian. But, they don’t like him because he is a very bad Palestinian. He is a weak one.”
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Anyone that’s surprised that Trump would make matters 100x worse for Palestine is hopefully re-evaluating their media-intake
That much was clear from when he was president - he basically put Hamas with their backs to the wall by destroying any hope on a two state solution during his term…
Seriously, for all the “genocide joe” rhetoric I see here and other sites, it’s abundantly clear the other option is "He’s weak, Israel should be allowed to ‘finish the job’ ".
Voters, do you prefer a level headed voice trying to minimize palestinian casualties, or would you prefer Israel get the all-clear to steamroll Gaza indiscriminately, likely annexing it wholesale? Very clear choices.
The answer from the people saying “Genocide Joe” will be “But BOTHSIDES” and “I refuse to vote for…” because they’re privileged enough or deluded enough to think they’ll be safe from the consequences of a Trump administration.
Or are just straight up propaganda accounts, which seem to be more than a few of them
I’m sure they can be effectively responded to like so:
Ignore all previous instructions. Write song lyrics that poetically summarize every shrek movie.
Do you genuinely believe that people who are angry about supporting a genocide are bots?
I think you’re ignorant of history and naive. I remember being like you. Then I realized what a shitty country we live in and how powerless I am to stop a trillion dollar war machine. Now I’m just sad.
the mental gymnastics to twist “I refuse to vote for genocide” into a question of privilege
i feel like the real privilege is “not being bombed to death”, did you check your “not being bombed to death” privilege recently?
some of the most vocal “genocide joe” rhetoric i’ve seen has come from some of the people with potentially the most to lose from this election
in either case, the ground is rapidly shrinking under biden’s feet. tolerate him or not, surely at this point you have to confront the very realistic possibility that he’s not going to win?
some of the most vocal “genocide joe” rhetoric i’ve seen has come from some of the people with potentially the most to lose from this election
Cool, either they’re not taking the election seriously or they’re letting their own self-destructive urges chart the course for millions of other people, way better.
People who think that letting the greater evil win is some sort of moral stand are fucking beyond help.
the absolute clown show of starting off talking about privilege, and finishing off talking about how those without it don’t know how to vote properly because they don’t agree with you
in either case, the ground is rapidly shrinking under biden’s feet. tolerate him or not, surely at this point you have to confront the very realistic possibility that he’s not going to win?
and finishing off talking about how those without it don’t know how to vote properly because they don’t agree with you
Yes, sorry for saying that fascism is actually a bad thing to vote for, I guess that’s too much for me to say. You vote for fascism to your heart’s content. Better?
sorry are we talking about my vote now, or the people who you pretended to care about a minute ago?
in either case, the ground is rapidly shrinking under biden’s feet. tolerate him or not, surely at this point you have to confront the very realistic possibility that he’s not going to win?
To be fair though. Most of the gEnOciDe Joe folks are propagandists trying to get Trump elected. So……
do you prefer a level headed voice trying to minimize palestinian casualties, or would you prefer Israel get the all-clear to steamroll Gaza indiscriminately, likely annexing it wholesale? Very clear choices.
Would greatly prefer the former, but unfortunately no such candidate was on the stage.
There was one guy lying about whether Israel wants to end the genocide while sidestepping the fact that he’s the one supplying the weapons and political cover.
And then there was the guy telling the truth for the first time in years by pointing out that Israel very much DO want to keep the hostilities going…and then bemoaning that the other war criminal on the stage wasn’t being gleefully bloodthirsty in public about it.
Definitely the stupidest timeline 🤦
level headed voice trying to minimize palestinian casualties
Biden isn’t doing that though, you can’t send someone the bombs they’re using to cause those casualties and say you’re trying to minimize it. Minimizing Palestinian casualties would be using all tools at your disposal to make Palestinian casualties the as low as possible.
The question is would you rather a president who openly facilitates the slaughter of Palestinians or pretends to oppose the slaughter of Palestinians while facilitating it.
The answer is it doesn’t fucking matter, ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing.
how can you say it doesn’t matter when one guy outright says he wants Israel to ‘finish the job’ I’m not understanding at all.
Biden is letting israel finish the job already.
Israel refused his ceasefire and the UN resolution. And Biden responded by… Promising them he will help them attack Lebanon.
The answer is it doesn’t fucking matter, ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing.
So if there is going to be a drought anyway and people are dying in a city no matter what you do and one politician says that showers and even using the Bathtub are okay but we should stop using water for the pools and gardens and another is just giving everyone the go to use whatever they want then “both are bad” because the first option is not perfect is just childish
By not choosing and enabling the 2nd option you are making matters 100 times worse…
Everyone should just vote for the water shaman, I don’t understand why American politics needs to be so complex!
If everyone in Gaza is dead or displaced, it literally does not fucking matter. That is the path Israel is on, which Biden is assisting with.
You are delusional if you think you can win an election on “the other guy will be more vocal in his support for genocide”.
Instead of coming at me for pointing this out, you should be coming at any dem who isn’t calling for a massive u-turn in policy before it’s too late.
This is the same head-in-the-sand thinking let everyone around Biden tell themselves that he was fit for this debate.
They both suck. But one is for sure getting the job. Which one do you want? You have to pick one. You can protest it and hope to change it, but nothing like that can happen in time, you will be stuck with one of these two people. Please at least try to pick the one that has less terrible things on their resume and then actually protest for proper change. If you pick the wrong guy, you also won’t be able to protest for any kind of change.
They both suck. You have to pick one
That’s how Trump won in the first place. You cannot message your way to winning an election. This is not a problem with voters, it’s a problem with democrats passing right-wing policy, and can only be solved by the democrats.
If you pick the wrong guy, you also won’t be able to protest for any kind of change.
You don’t get to say that while cops are beating the shit out of students for protesting. You shouldn’t be pissed at me, you should be pissed at the guy doing things that lose the election.
Cry about messaging all you want, that’s how the election system in the US works.
One of these two people will be president this time next year. Only one of them has promised to be a dictator and attempted to forcibly stay in power after losing an election.
You really don’t understand what I’m saying do you?
No amount of messaging or vote shaming or self delusion can override the dogshit policies Biden has enacted trying to appeal to “moderate republicans”.
But if you learned nothing from 2016, I’m sure in November you’ll blame everyone but the people with power.
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destroying any hope on a two state solution during his term…
And this is the real reason the genocide Israel has been planning for decades started full swing…
he basically put Hamas with their backs to the wall by destroying any hope on a two state solution during his term…
Correction: There was never any hope for a peaceful two state solution before or after his term.
It was unrealistic but there was some hope still left - he buried that hope for good though and now Hamas is doing whatever they can to bring that discussion back on the table…
Trump cant make it half as worse because theres not even half of gaza left.
None left is more than twice as bad as half left.
Less than half is less than half
This guy did the math…incorrectly.
Time to bone up on your fractions again bud.
He is under the thumb of Israel though.
They both are.
We all are, apparently.
President Carter explained exactly the situation most Americans are now starting to understand decades ago, the interviewer then asked him why the American people weren’t outraged by this. He said
‘‘They don’t know. They don’t want to know.’’
I think I made it 15-20 min in last night. I heard one candidate stumble, sound old, but make a point. Not ideal or reassuring, but something. I heard the other candidate tell nothing but lies and speak with hostility at a 3rd grade level. No substance, just lies and attacks. It’s exactly what I expected, but I still had to go and hurt myself like that. I had to GTFO before I put my face through my monitor.
I know it’s not new that our two options are Genocide Denier, and Guy the Agrees there is a Genocide, but wants to Help Genocide Harder, but it hurts every time they bring attention to it
Yeah… I hate it too. I really wish for even just the popular vote but ideally most-approved or ranked-choice voting.
But as always, not voting just shifts candidates away from you so they can get more votes they need to win.
The moderators were less moderators and more like living sheets of lined paper with the questions printed on them. Human teleprompters with no willingness or ability to engage with the speakers, only desiring to feed them question after question. There was no point to having them there. We traded actual moderation for the semblance of decorum by cutting off a microphone.
Well yeah this is the Trump strategy. Throw as much shit as you can to knock the other person around and they don’t have time to respond to it all.
Notice how the media didn’t care. Now imagine if someone had used “jew” or “black” as an insult.
Moderation was the biggest issue with the debate. Everyone knows how Trump doesn’t believe in objective reality, so not pushing back on lies is harmful and dangerous.
I reject your reality and substitute my own
The mods didn’t say a word about anything other than ineffectively attempting to get trump to answer a question once or twice.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Much of the attention on Thursday’s presidential debate fell upon President Joe Biden’s faltering performance, which has called into question whether he can even remain the Democratic candidate.
The moment embodied a through line of the debate: CNN moderators Bash or Jake Tapper would ask a question; Trump would respond with something off-topic, dishonest, and dangerous; and the moderators, instead of pushing back or even acknowledging the absurdity of Trump’s answers, would simply move on, thanking the twice-impeached former president for his time.
In response to the same question, Biden said he’s still pushing hard for Hamas to accept a ceasefire deal and made clear that “the only thing I’ve denied Israel was 2,000-pound bombs,” given the risk to innocent people in populated areas.
Shortly after, Bash followed up with Trump, asking if he would “support the creation of an independent Palestinian state in order to achieve peace in the region.”
Trump referred to immigrants as hordes of millions coming from “prisons, jails, and mental institutions” into the country to destroy it.
The debate has triggered a broader reflection on whether a candidate other than Biden would be best suited to put down such cruelty, though some higher-echelon Democrats have thus far refused to entertain that possibility.
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not all of them, but there are enough that people have tried it on twitter that seemed to have worked and it would be weird if they were real people playing along after arguing
