Armed to deter cops actually sounds like a viable plan in Texas after what we saw at Uvalde
Gotta love how it’s illegal to help your community
Just wait to see what those ass clowns have planned if they win the presidency
Lol we are so fucked.
I’ve been following some of these folks on social media who do this every couple of weeks. It’s crazy. The police were arresting them for giving away food. So they went through the courts and won the right to feed homeless people. Crazy right. The even crazier part is the cops sit across the street every single time they give out free food and hygiene items and harass them, take photos and other ACAB sort of shit. 4-6 cruisers at a time. Insane.
I had1 a friend in middle school who shared my name. We’d hang out together all the time and play Super Mario Bros 3 and ride our bikes all over and shit. Dude was chill. Then he went into the army, came out, and become a cop in Dallas PD.
1Had.
Its only crazy if you don’t want to look at why they’re doing it square in the eye. Please don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t judge anyone doing it, presuming it does apply a little you yourself. I could be wrong of course. The truth is very, very ugly and not something anyone would want to be true.
Despite their claims, the problem was never the cost to the government of feeding the homeless, as can be seen. The reason the police do this is that wage slaves won’t be forced back into the worst, most poorly paid jobs we can find if they’re not facing death by starvation.
It was the same in the UK, back when they made feeding the homeless illegal and the penalty being being homeless OR without a job for 3 days was being sent to the workhouse where you might well be worked to death.
Its the same thing, centuries apart.
That is the role of the state and capitalists but that is not what is on the mind of an abusive cop. They believe the bullshit.
Oh for sure, I imagine cops are utterly oblivious to it all
The reason the police do this is that wage slaves won’t be forced back into the worst, most poorly paid jobs we can find if they’re not facing death by starvation.
Systemically, yes this is why the police are allowed broadly by society to discourage helping those in need.
On a more personal, fundamental and visceral level, it’s because the police are a product of people who have held power for a long, long time. And you know what poor and homeless people are to the systems that maintain the status quo? They’re an inconvenient reminder that our system is designed to benefit a few, and that there are people hoarding gold and diamond backscratchers for every day of the week while children starve on the street.
That’s a pretty downer reminder, isn’t it? Throw in some of our human vices that we all share from top to bottom like substance abuse and you have a complete picture of what any of us could become if we’re not careful.
See, for the vast majority of comfortable Americans, the homeless they pass every day are not reminders that humans need help, they are a reminder of failure. In a world where success is measured in dollar signs and possessions, someone without either is a scary, harsh reminder that we’re all on a tightrope.
Brush them aside. Put them somewhere. Get them into some kind of “camp” and shuffle them out of view, lest they spoil this perfect image we have created of the modern world.
I mean have you tried to conceal carry a sword?
I have a very long butt-crack.
Is that a sword in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?
Oh, no, that thing was six inches so it’s definitely the sword you’re seeing.
Big dresses and a lotta cleavage means you got no idea who’s got a concealed sword at a ren faire.
So like you’re single or…
lol I’m not describing myself here, I’m just a fish with no meat.
It’s just been (oddly, I think) a recurring thing that multiple friends have done at ren faires (and costume parties). I know at least 3 people who have done the concealed boob sword thing, and plenty of extras who opted for bottles of hard alcohol instead.
Yes I have. It’s called a sword cane. I happen to have some knee damage, and if I play up my limp a bit, no one even looks twice at my cane.
You get it from Cold Steel?
I did, something like 15 years back.
It’s okay quality, but I did have to fix the rattle of the sheath. Just ripped one of the faces off a piece of cardboard, and then rolled it up and shoved it in the sheath. Now the cane doesn’t rattle at all when you shake it, but it still draws smoothly.
Honestly, any of my solid canes would make a great weapon, but people never realize it, so the sword cane is mostly for the intimidation option.
Almost anyone can recognize a sword as a weapon, even if I could ruin your day just as much with a wooden hook cane.
To be fair, the difference between a hook cane and sword cane is one can cause bruising up to a concussion, with a low chance of broken bones. While the other creates a sequel to Highlander. So your day might be ruined by one; the other makes sure there is only one.
What sort of permit is needed for a sword cane?
waves hand These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.
Link to tweet: https://x.com/FordFischer/status/1203485521151959040
2019 sounds like so far in the past…
Texas must have fixed those stupids rules? Maybe they have fixed the houses crisis…
Please I really could use some hope right now
Here are the current Dallas ordinances on feeding the homeless. It looks like it’s legal if you notify the city 24+ hours in advance and abide by certain food safety and hygiene measures. Still seems pretty onerous to me
Now I understand why americans need guns.
I mean, that was always the point.
To fight tyrannical bullshit.
It’s just that purist assholes don’t want any regulation whatsoever - so that anyone, anyone can get a gun. And welp… the tragic bullshit happens.
I’m not pro-gun or anti-gun. I’m pro-common-sense.
No it wasn’t. The second amendment was written to protect tyrannical bullshit. The slaveowners wanted to make sure the federal government couldn’t disarm their state-owned militias
lol! shut up.
Sorry to trigger you with history
lol ok trooller.
Never heard the claim before. Looked into it, and I don’t think that’s the case.
lol you fell for the obvious bait. look at post history
I took a look at their comment history. They don’t seem like a troll to me. Maybe a bit further left than myself, but that’s not always a bad thing.
You just posted a federalist society goon. He’s one of the people that worked on the great American project to make abortion illegal, and the president a king. https://fedsoc.org/contributors/stephen-halbrook
The text of the second amendment is pretty clearly talking about militias, and the history shows the same. The individualist interpretation is very recent, and Heller was a shitty decision written by the most corrupt supreme coirt justice. https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/10/why-heller-is-such-bad-history
I’m not anti-gun, but I hate right wing propaganda
I’m unsure what you’re arguing against.
To my knowledge, the link I provided wasn’t a treatise on individual ownership or saying that it wasn’t about militias. It was a direct rebuttal to the idea that the 2nd amendment was proposed to protect slavery.
I was unaware of Halbrook’s associations, so thank you for bringing that to my attention. However, even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you’d like to change my mind about this, I’d like to see a direct rebuttal of the facts and arguments presented.
I’m arguing against the idea that the second amendment was designed to protect individuals against tyrannical government
I didn’t say it was specifically/exclusively to protect slavery. I didn’t say anything about slave rebellions. The constitution was all about balancing the power of wealthy landed slaveholders of the south with the wealthy landed urbanites of the north. Ensuring state militias was one element of that balancing act.
Pretending the second amendment was written to protect against tyrannical governments is ahistorical right wing propaganda. * Unless you view it as one sovereign being protected from the tyranny of another. Eg Virginia is protected from the tyranny of Pennsylvania or vis versa
If you want to read a rebuttal of halbrooks legal theory, read the Heller dissents
Okay. But, I didn’t say anything about tyrannical governments, either. Only that the 2nd amendment didn’t seem to be driven by any sort of slave related anything, per the history presented in the link I read.
Too bad this is an extremely rare use case, but yes this is exactly the INTENT of the second amendment.
The INTENT of the second amendment was protect the states’ militias from being disarmed by the feds. So that enslavers like Washington could rest assured that his slave state of Virginia wouldn’t be liberated by the feds
Does it actually work? Because I fear that it doesn’t and just gives cops/the state even more excuses to further militarize police in the long teem.
I’m not antigun, but this seems like an arms race you can’t win.
Well if you think about it the population has the numbers, so do the math
The vast majority is not willing to die in armed struggle against the state…
More will be willing once they realize that the state will kill them whether they support it or not.
It does. Armed peaceful protesters don’t get hassled by the police. These are armed peaceful protesters and they were not hassled. It worked for the black panthers. Cops only brutalize the weak.
lol okay
Armed peaceful protesters don’t get hassled by the police.
There were quite a few shoot outs between panthers and cops, no? Some even argue that the increasing use of “swat” was, in part, because of black panthers.
Again, I’m not speaking out against armed groups, but it seems a bit romantized to say “armed protesters don’t get hasseled”…
Well I’m not sure it worked that well for Fred Hampton or the MOVE guys.
There’s always a danger of escalation, and the boys in blue have no upper limit.
I’m pretty sure there are some statistics on the mental profiles of cops the people who end up becoming them being people who enjoy power.
And this is a failure of the system. The failure to identify and reject these sick fucks.
Failure of the system, or working exactly how it was intended?
I hate that this is true.
They could skip the middle step and just arm the homeless
Are you ok over there? Do you need something? Like healthcare and a social state?
ITT: Americans generalizing about all cops, even in countries where they have to be trained properly. It’s a form of ‘False Consensus’
There might be an issue with training, but the real problem is accountability. Cops in the USA can get away with a lot, up to and including murder. If police were punished for abusing their power, then it would happen much less often.
ITT: people who don’t understand that if the article takes place in a specific geographical region, then general comments about said article are also referring to the same geographical region.
police reflect the ideals of those in power 🐷 🐷 🐷
Cops are all the same. Source: I ain’t American.
As a 2A liberal, I LOVE this. Black Panthers did it right, don’t change what works!
Fun fact: California’s anti-gun culture was born out of racism and fear of the Black Panthers.
Ronald fucking Reagan started the anti-gun movement to disarm black people
And then continued it federally with bans on assault weapons and magazines over a certain capacity after someone tried to assassinate him.
I say we should bring back the Reagan approach on gun control.
You mean shooting presidents? That’s kinda like a tradition in the one country. In other places it’s more normal for US sponsored coups.
Sure, it can’t be that some people are more reasonable and don’t like in a western.
No. Sadly, it can’t. It’s the racism. It’s always the racism.
It’s an uncanny irony to me when I hear something like “not everything has to be about race” when, at least from the perspective of a non-white, everything in society really does have an unavoidable racial asterisk that we really wish wasn’t there. Racism a fixed worldwide phenomenon that we have no choice but to acknowledge at this point. It impacts everything.
Well, you have no choice but to acknowledge it. I’m perfectly capable of pretending it doesn’t exist because it doesn’t negatively affect me.
(That’s sarcasm, if it wasn’t clear. I hate that there are people genuinely living by that maxim.)
You love it? You don’t look at this and think “This can’t possibly be how a reasonable society works”?
If we lived in a reasonable society, there’d be no need to deter the police.
And the key to getting to a reasonable society is for everybody to wear guns.
It isn’t how reasonable society works. It is how OUR society works. Can’t play by the rules of another game you wish you were playing, you will lose every time.
Exactly how a gun nut would think.
what reasonable society
One that uses government funds to feed and house the homeless instead of using the police to punish them for being homeless and anyone who tries to help.
so not this one
When it stops being illegal to help vulnerable people, I’ll stop cheering for folks who open carry firearms to deter cops that might otherwise try to stop them.
Of course most of us don’t love it. A lot of us live in places where, due to concepts like gerrymandering, we have no political choice, so people have to resort to stuff like this. We love that people are fighting back, not that it has to be this way.
Yeah, moving somewhere else isn’t an option, but pow pow bang bang shooty shooty sure is!
Nobody is gonna stop you if you want to help homeless people move to a state that doesnt actively hate them
Where are you getting reasonable society from lmao
Not everyone agrees the cops should do whatever they want and sorting it out in court later is the way
Guns have been the tools of the revolutionary too.
That’s like saying the tolerant can’t be intolerant of the intolerant, when in fact they have to be.
And it becomes even more viable when you consider that Popper’s idea is actually based off of a social contract.
Essentially, tolerance is based on a social contract to be tolerant to each other. If someone is being intolerant, they are explicitly and intentionally removing themselves from the contract. Ergo, they no longer fall under protections, and people can then be intolerant of their intolerance.
How people don’t understand this concept is incredible to me.
- Regular Ignorance
- Wilful Ignorance
- Bad Faith
Pick One, possibly two.
There will of course be some who haven’t considered this perspective and some who disagree.
I’d put money, however, on the vast majority arguing in favour of tolerating intolerance are the people this concept is talking about.
The actively intolerant using the tolerance of others to enact further intolerance.
Of course they can, that’s dumb.
and sorting it out in court later is the way
Not with cops in US from what i heard. No chance.
Well that guy stood on Floyd’s neck is doing life, but someone really shoulda kicked that cop in the jaw.
But look at what it took. It was not the protests that did anything, that has been tried for decades, it was the riots.
Every single protest should have an armed contingent in America. That is the only way cops will take you seriously, but make sure you dot the i’s and cross the t’s, because your permits better be current.
This gives the cops license to start slaughtering protestors. They’re allowed to kill if they have a reason to fear for their safety.
Nope. Cops are bullies and cowards by nature. They love to swing their dicks around unarmed, peaceful protesters.
Any sign of any possible resistance or discomfort and they’ll suddenly turn into pillars of restraint and caution.
IE look at all the armed Nazi protests, or uvlade or any other of the myriad of examples.
There’s a reason why cops are polite at the Nazi protests, and it isn’t because the protesters are armed.
No, it doesn’t.
But it does force them to reconsider their bullying instincts.
The black panther method, 10 outta 10
Yep. This is it.
And that’s a factor in generating early gun control laws, black people exercising their rights.
Damn, giving food and clothes is a crime.
Pretty sure its not, this is just more bullshit lemmy propaganda.
If only there were some way to fact check … some video evidence of what happened … if only they had YouTube channels documenting all of it.
Ah well, let’s not even bother to look it up.
Its not a crime to feed homeless people. They say that because they want to cause division in the US and anger against the government.
Like the fact that that headline is sensational and wrong? Its not illegal to feed homeless people in those cities, the city governments just require people to get permits and do it in a safe way.
Look up how many times “Food Not Bombs” gets arrested for feeding the homeless.
More like look up what OP says and realize its bullshit. Lemmy has become so disappointing with all the blind acceptance of this kind of nonsense.
So this video is manufactured “bullshit”, I assume.
Show me the law saying feeding homeless people is a crime
This article talks about the ordinance. Yes, you can feed them in specific situations and places. Still, you can’t tell me it isn’t making it intentionally hard to do.
Pretty big assumption that all the governments in the many cities with laws like this are evil people coordinating efforts to starve homeless people.
It’s food serving legislation being taken too far. The clothes I think are fine, but since they’re not inspected by the health department like a restaurant the government can technically shut it down which is complete bullshit.
No, the Good Samaritan Act says free food doesn’t have to be inspected as long as it’s given “in good faith apparently wholesome food or apparently fit grocery products to a nonprofit organization for ultimate distribution to needy individuals”
All fifty states and the District of Columbia have additional food donation statues that limit food donor’s liability—these currently vary widely, such as by who (i.e., donors, nonprofit organizations), and what foods and food products are covered.
state laws may provide greater protection against liability, but not less
You better run and tell all the cities then, because they don’t care.
TIL. Thanks.
So if I buy the food let’s say 100 burgers from a fast food joint. That would be ok right?
Anecdotally, I don’t think so. I used to do some work with a place that did a lot of charity work and would get together bi-weekly to talk about travel and have a banquet. The banquet was always prepared and served in accordance with the law, and there were often tons of leftovers. So we would give the leftovers to the homeless. The health department fined us because we weren’t allowed to serve food outside of our establishment.
Did you have some kind of serve safe license that was limited? I wonder why the rules were different than a restaurant letting people take leftovers home.
Were you guys handing out huge trays of food like after thanksgiving or a party, like “who wants this half a turkey in these ziplock bags”, or was it more like a bunch of to go containers handed out?
Seems like the seal of government approval on a person’s ability to handle food safety should apply equally to serving in the restaurant and to prepping food for serving outside that building. Right? Just too complex to have it separated out like that.
That’s what the to-go bags are for.
When I was living on the streets of Boston, one day a random dude showed up giving out McDonalds cheeseburgers. Didn’t look very official. He just rolled up with a big bag and started giving them out.
Maybe I’ll go out and do this today in LA
The double cheeseburgers differ from the McDouble only in that the McDouble has one more slice of cheese.
The double cheeseburgers are also buy one, get one for $1. Here in denver that means $4.50 for two of them.
Probably the most bang for your buck if they’ve got the same deal going there.
Hell yeah, it’s embarrassing but I did already know this, lol. Double cheese for life. Also, Denver for life, I’m from Colorado originally :)
And that’s how you properly fuck, fuck, fuck the police.
