daniellamyoung_3h

Unpopular opinion: you only hate chat gpt because it makes it harder to stack rank and discriminate against people.

So what everyone can write well now? great it’s a tool! Just like moving faster because you drive a car.

The good news is you’ll be easily able to hire for that writing job you need. The bad news is you won’t be able to discriminate against candidates who are not as good with the written word.

Also, an obsession with the written word is a tenant of white supremacy [salute emoji]

Ian Rennie
‪@theangelremiel.bsky.social‬

Man, this probably hits really hard if you’re fuckin stupid.

  • swlabr@awful.systems
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    1 month ago

    I looked through her recent replies on threads, and while she has deleted the original post, it looks like she is doubling down on this take:

    I guess I’ll say this in a different way, the language around that SOME people are using around chat GPT is the same panic language society always uses with new “advancements” or tools. We saw it when GPS became a thing, we see it now with people freaking out about cursive going away, and oh my, they definitely saw it with calculators. At its core it’s a “geez how are we gonna tell people apart anymore, if we can’t test these skills.” That’s not the only argument about it…

    there are plenty of things to talk about about AI But this language definitely exists in the conversation. I recognize it easily, because it’s very, very Culty. It’s this very apocalyptic nature of discussion around it instead of the acknowledgment that human beings will keep building tools that will change everything.

    every time a new tool makes certain skills that we test for to rank folks obsolete human beings freak out

    To which all this I say… wow, she really has decided to just ignore all the discourse about generative AI*, huh? Like sure you can use this analogy but it breaks down pretty quickly, especially when you spend like 5 minutes doing any research on this stuff.

    *Would love to start using a new term here because AI oversells the whole concept. I was thinking of tacking something onto procedural generation? Mass PG? LLMPG/LPG? Added benefit of evoking petroleum gas.

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      I’ve been playing with “mass averaging synthesis machines”, variations on “automated plagiarism”, “content theftwashing systems”

      still undecided tho

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        I’m still partial to “spicy autocomplete” as a good analogy for how these systems actually work that people have more direct experience with. Take those Facebook posts that give you the first few words and say “what does autocomplete say your most used words are?” and make answering the question use as much electricity as a small city.

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          As much as it is a good phrase, I’m too used to seeing “spicy” as a compliment, so it doesn’t work for me!

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        Considering the amount I have to say the term whenever ranting or debating, something that can be shortened is welcomed. I like the idea of calling “automated plagiarism,” since it can be shortened to “autoplag” which is also ugly sounding.

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      That analogy is horseshit because gps and the death of cursive were both need based

      Generative ai / chat gpt for writing fiction has no need nor real purpose despite them desperately pinwheeling about jamming it everywhere possible.

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        The only use I’ve had for writing cursive in 30 years has been to copy out an anti-cheating pledge on a standardized test, because some fucker thought cursive magically makes a pledge 300% more honest.

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          yup, hence saying its death was need based.

          People don’t write cursive for the same reason that councils don’t put in new horse troughs.

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      1 month ago

      gps

      Can anyone elaborate on gps panic please? What happened when it became available?

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        Personally i’ve never heard of a moral panic over GPS, though if pressed I could manufacture some. So that one seems like something dreamed up by the author. Would love to be proven wrong!

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          Ooh, I know! I’d not exactly call it a moral panic but there were people who were convinced that people would be driving off cliffs or getting lost in the mountains because they didn’t have the skills to read a paper map properly. Wasn’t very convincing, especially as if people are determined to be stupid enough to drive off a cliff without noticing they’re going to find a way to do that even if there’s a big sign in front of them saying “Cliff, do not drive off”.

          In much of the world online mapping services still aren’t anywhere near the standard of a proper topological map and there’s really no substitute for (say) an Ordnance Survey map if you’re climbing in the Cuillins, but that’s not the fault of GPS.

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        It’s barely was existant. At least with Photoshop, you had the occasional outrage over some manipulated photos created in order to spread hate (anyone remembers the photo where someone photoshopped the heads of Barack Obama and Osama Bin Laden onto Jewish people who wore big stars of Davids?) or create fake nudes, or the elitist oil painter that already had problems with other mediums just found yet another one to be snarky at something else besides of pencil drawings.

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    Okay, show me a system that was only trained on data given with explicit permission and hopefully compensation and I’ll happily be fine with it.

    But that isn’t what these capitalists, tech obsessives etc they have done. They take take take and give nothing back.

    They do not understand nor care about consent, that’s the crux of the issue.

    I couldn’t care less if all the training data was consensual.

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      But even if it there was an LLM that used only ethical sources it would still need massive amounts of energy for training and using so until we’re 100% renewable and the whole world gets as much of that energy as they need …

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        This is fair. I was more responding to the person in the picture’s point that we care more that other people who don’t have the skills or perhaps ability to write can now when no, that’s not really the problem.

        But you do raise a good point.

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    ChatGPT is great because you can use it to show a potential employer how good your writing is for that writing job they’ll totally pay you to use ChatGPT to do.

    It is and always has been racism that has stopped bad writers from getting writing jobs.

    /s

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      Like, there is definitely racism in the hiring process and how writing is judged, but it comes from the fact that white people and white people alone don’t have to code switch in order to be taken seriously. The problem isn’t that bad writers are discriminated against it’s that nonwhite people have to turn on their “white voice” in order to be recognized as good writers. Giving everyone a white robot that can functionally take their place doesn’t actually make nonwhite people any more accepted. It’s the same old bullshit about how anonymity means 4chan can’t be racist.

      I’m actually pretty sympathetic to the value of even the most sneer-worthy technologies as accessibility tools, but that has to come with an acknowledgement of the limitations of those tools and is anathema to the rot economy trying to sell them as a panacea to any problem.

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        I read that as “vitality cure” and didn’t think twice about it, seemed the appropriate level of evil.

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        Thank you. I’ve never even heard of the term before, and didn’t know if it was slang, a typo, or what. It wouldn’t have occurred to me to search for it.

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          Yet another word for the good ol’ rank-and-yank. Great way to instantly make number go up by suddenly laying off 10-20% of your employees. The trick is making sure you’ve moved on to another department or another company before the predictable consequences take hold.

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    New hire firefighter [leaning against a dumpster]: yeah I used the AI that puts out fires to get this job. They would have been able to discriminate against me if I hadn’t done that. Glad that in this crazy fucked up trash fire of a world, there’s still something out there helping to level the playing field.

    Veteran firefighter: that trash behind you is on literally on fire

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    1 month ago

    Wow, imagine virtue signalling so hard you wind up posting something this racist

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    holy hell that inner is all kinds of past-even-wrong

    is there some kind of idiocy gdq rankweekend event that I missed the announcement for?

  • Mike@awful.systems
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    1 month ago

    how to let people know you’re not a talented writer but think you should be without telling people you’re not a talented writer but you think you should be